Posted on 11/19/2005 11:37:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
Cody Young is an evangelical Christian who attends a religious high school in Southern California. With stellar grades, competitive test scores and an impressive list of extracurricular activities, Mr. Young has mapped a future that includes studying engineering at the University of California and a career in the aerospace industry, his lawyers have said.
But Mr. Young, his teachers and his family fear his beliefs may hurt his chance to attend the university. They say the public university system, which has 10 campuses, discriminates against students from evangelical Christian schools, especially faith-based ones like Calvary Chapel Christian School in Murrieta, where Mr. Young is a senior.
Mr. Young, five other Calvary students, the school and the Association of Christian Schools International, which represents 4,000 religious schools, sued the University of California in the summer, accusing it of "viewpoint discrimination" and unfair admission standards that violate the free speech and religious rights of evangelical Christians.
The suit, scheduled for a hearing on Dec. 12 in Federal District Court in Los Angeles, says many of Calvary's best students are at a disadvantage when they apply to the university because admissions officials have refused to certify several of the school's courses on literature, history, social studies and science that use curriculums and textbooks with a Christian viewpoint.
The lawyer for the school, Robert Tyler, said reviewing and approving the course content was an intrusion into private education that amounted to government censorship. "They are trying to secularize private Christian schools," Mr. Tyler said. "They have taken God out of public schools. Now they want to do it at Christian schools."
A lawyer for the university, Christopher M. Patti, called the suit baseless. Acknowledging the university does not accept some courses,
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"There are almost no Christian schools which can measure up academically to the better public schools."
While this could be true, try finding one of those better public schools. They're not a dime a dozen. That's why the private Christian schools are so popular. They way outshine the *average* public school.
You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, and know when to back away without making eye contact.
Check your freepmail.
My brother in law works at NIH, he's a scientist reseracher with several advanced degrees and he is a creationist.
On the other hand, my fiancee (who is not Christian) goes to a private Christian university, where she is right now taking the mandated theological classes to get them out of the way. In these classes, she has faced hostility for not believing that Jesus is the messiah. 2 classes... in one, a prof (to his credit) told another student who told her she'd burn in hell that if she said that again, he'd kick her out of the class. On the other hand, she "lost" a formal debate in that class that even the other student who "won" admitted that she shouldn't have won. The other teacher hasn't been nearly as hospitable.
She'll be done with the classes in a few weeks and continue going there... because their chemistry profs (her major) are great and the class sizes are small compared to the local public university. It's overall a better school, but non-Christians aren't made to feel particularly welcome.
Come on, anyone interested can find excellent public schools. Even in Chicago I can give you a list of dozens of great elementary schools and at least half a dozen high schools in the City and scores of them in the surrounding suburbs.
You can believe this mythology if you wish but it is only that. One of the reasons our nation became so rich and powerful is because of the public education system. To this day the vast majority of our military comes from that system. You don't achieve the dazzling heights this nation has without a good educational system.
If you are an example of how private education works I can only emphasis that it is inferior.
You claim I "punish" those who don't use the public schools. Where does THAT insanity come from? I have no power to "punish" anyone for that reason nor would I if I had having already stated the I and my children attended BOTH types.
You verify the low salaries paid to the teachers but gloss over the truth by rationalizing about their sacrifices and claiming I wouldn't understand. I understand perfectly well that my point was entirely ACCURATE.
The problem you ideologues have in understanding this issue is that you extrapolate the problems in Inner City schools to the entire system. Those schools are inundated with OOW children without parental discipline, children who are EXCLUDED from private schools and who cannot be home schooled because their parents are too ignorant. Yet pretend that a valid comparison between systems can be made.
Your ridiculous namecalling also shows your inability to argue coherently. Education has always been a priority with me and I pursued it for myself and my sons. But I will not pretend that any but the wildly expensive private schools are competitive with the best public schools. While the Latin School, for example, may be the equivalent of the better public high schools it is an exception and one of only a handful of private institutions of such quality.
First of all, not everyone lives in the city and secondly, there simply isn't enough room in the better schools to accommodate all the kids whose parents would want to send them there. It's not practical or reasonable.
That is correct but not really germaine to the topic.
Given your inability to argue coherently I understand your resentment against the education you had.
People who point out the truth are routinely insulted by the ideologues who refuse to address the actual comments and veer off into attacking straw men and putting words into their antagonists' mouths. You immediately started to do this and haven't stopped.
Of course, I put my children into the best schools I could. It does not take much to find out which ones they are though I can see where that would be too difficult for you.
Even when you copy my comment directly above your response you can't come up with a decent response. I did not discuss my understanding but the accuracy of my earlier comment. You prefer to argue like a six yr old.
Nor was there any discussion of "control" of poor people merely the disingeneous tendency of the ideologues to extrapolate the problems of the Inner city to the entire nation.
While there is no way to entirely avoid the OOW kids one can determine which schools have fewer and avoid them.
Private schools do not allow disruptive students to remain in them and enroll very few to begin with since they can pick and choose their students. Public schools are under legal constraints wrt both and are forced to labor under a tremendous burden not shared by private schools.
Anyone who cares to read my earlier statement will see that you clipped it to make it appear different from what I actually said. I did NOT say parents are too ignorant to homeschool I DID say that the OOW children cannot be homeschooled because THEY do not have parents that can properly homeschool them because of their ignorance. This may not be politically correct but when there is a mom with children from numerous absent fathers and who is on the public dole SHE is neither a proper role model NOR qualified to teach anything except irresponsibility.
I expressed no concern for your blood pressure you are fantasizing again. Commenting on your incoherent and off the mark arguments says nothing about your medical condition.
Only the truth should affect parents decisions about schooling I am certainly neither encouraging or discouraging. I do note the extreme defensiveness of your arguments so extreme that you really can't address the substance of my comments without veering off into irrelevency or insult. I spoke of "the best" which you sophistically then responded to about "good" why don't you now tell me that there are many superior private schools rather than speak of only "good" ones. You know what I say is true: there are FEW private schools which are comparable to the best public schools. And those are VERY expensive.
Of course, I am not a good liar I am not a liar at all. Show me ONE lie I have told.
I did not read your long winded post because you are wasting my time.
You are trying to bully people into using schools they do not like.
I will now ignore you justshutupandtakeit.
Clearly you cannot handle anyone not buying into your bilge and from your comments you have either not read what I said or don't understand what you read.
Like a liberal, once confronted with the truth you don't want to talk about it.
You are a LIAR as well.
I really, really hope that this discrepancy was intended as subtle sarcasm. :-)
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