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SHANGO'S RIDDLE
Shango | 8/1/05 | Shango

Posted on 08/01/2005 12:37:53 PM PDT by TexKat

Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!

The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor

If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.

Threadsurfers listen!

The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.

The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.

A new key must be found to open unknown doors.

The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.

But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.

DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.

The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.

All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!

It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!

Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation

I must feed the messengers

The gods are talking


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To: bolta_lightnin

Actually, that was my find.

Dave was at the HI.

Beth and Jug moved to the Wyndham.


61 posted on 08/02/2005 6:36:55 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Dark Skies

I see where you are going with that.

Question: Can we find that in Shango? Shango has all but validated the fact that Dirty Hand is Van Der Straaten. Not sure if VDS is that close to it, but could be.

Also, I read some very intersting posts over at SM last night regarding the HI casino owner/operator. He's well know...from Chicago...shady past. Beth mentioned on Greta last night that JVDS and Satish had lines of credit at that casino. She also wondered if the owner had "skipped town". Good question from her. I'm going to do some checking today on this guy. I've heard of him before. SM even drew a very slight parallel to this guy and Amy Bradley. That might be a stretch though.

Also, look at Shango and replace the word gods with media. See what you think.


62 posted on 08/02/2005 6:43:49 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva
The idea that the "gods" are the media is very plausible.

Also, everytime I reread the Shango posts I get the strangest feeling that he is a priest. Look at what he says:

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation...

In an earlier post, he said that he doesn't interact with the lions. If he is so distant from the illicit activities of the island, how does he know so much? Unless from being a confessor. And then there is this:

I must feed the messengers...

I wonder if that is a reference to the Holy Eucharist (i.e "time to go to Mass"). I am probably dead wrong but I keep getting this strange feeling about Shango.

63 posted on 08/02/2005 6:56:38 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
You may not be wrong. You've given me different perspective on Shango.

Actually, I have viewed Shango as someone in Aruba who is involved with public relations for the government. Someone native to Aruba who has a boss that is in the know and either complicit or involved with this. Simian was a poster who originally was trying to untangle the Shango posts. At one point "Simian" was very critical of Natalee and her family. Shango referred to these posts from Simian as being from a Doppleganger (ghost or of the same name but not the original) I think Shango is saying that he isn't in the circle but is watching it from the outside because of his boss' role. I think he is refusing to communicate with Simian at this point. I think "worldly sources" means other outsiders who have no clue, but are just putting rumors out there.

Looks like we have two decent possibilities here. either could be correct.

Other than determining Shango's identity, I am still curious about the casino/gambling connection. The posts over at SM last night were very interesting. I do have a document that I created from the Shango posts where I have taken some liberties with the legend/key. I have replaced the original names in the post with what I think he means. I will freepmail it to you. Tell me what you think.
64 posted on 08/02/2005 7:19:35 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Dark Skies; truthluva; justche

[ping justche to Shango thread...]

DS - I've had that strange thought about Shango too. Dirty Hand in your scenario has to be somone bigger than Van der Stratten IMHO, someone who has his own 'business,'
dontcha think?

What does the Cuntreras family do, and has anyone but me noticed the pun in spelling it wrong? Should be Contreras...

What is the Mansur's business other than news? Does Posner own just the casino, or the HI as well? If just the casino, who does he pay a 'commission' to? They don't let that space be used in the HI for nothing...


65 posted on 08/02/2005 7:19:50 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: bolta_lightnin
Hey, Ms. C, I'm interested to hear what your "friend" with the Jamaican accent has to say. Anything new since the 25th.
I decided to wait on the EVP until the kids are back in school. I played "Stairway to Heaven" backwards for a bunch of friends once and it scared the shiite out of us and we were all in our 20's. Wow, that was 20 years ago? Sheesh.

TAW
66 posted on 08/02/2005 7:22:42 AM PDT by Malichi (We All Have To Settle Our Accounts Someday)
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To: Froufrou

I agree...I never thought Van der Straaten was a power player. I think he is bought and paid for by someone in power. As to the Mansurs and Contreras clans...they are the island power and have been for a very long time.


67 posted on 08/02/2005 7:24:38 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies; truthluva; Pepper777; pamlet; maggief

"As to the Mansurs and Contreras clans...they are the island power a have been for a very long time."

And where do the Posners fit it? Maggief (?) reported that Joran worked as a dealer at the excelsior. And he had a line of credit. Was that with legitimate money, or does PVDS have something to do with dirty money? It's been established that Joran was 'a lousy gambler,' yet he had worked as a dealer??? Hmmmm...


68 posted on 08/02/2005 7:40:59 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Froufrou

The Posners own the Aloe processing plant and, most importantly, the island's beer, wine and liquor distributorship. Liquor, the cash sale of it that is, is an excellent cash laundering vehicle.


69 posted on 08/02/2005 8:08:32 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Froufrou

Oh, and Mike Posner from Chicago owns the Excelsior Casino at the HI.


70 posted on 08/02/2005 8:10:25 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Froufrou

"Shango Just pawn in game of life."

71 posted on 08/02/2005 8:12:49 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, but never in doubt.)
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To: Froufrou; truthluva
From what I can tell, Mike Posner works for the big organized crime "Outfit" in Chicago (if it is the same Mike Posner...and I would say the chances are 99.9%). If that is the case, Posner is only a front for the Chicago mob. Check this link and you will find his name (Posner is, according to this web site, "on parole")...

Click for Outfit Organizational Chart

72 posted on 08/02/2005 8:25:25 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Yeah, I knew that. He's one bad dude.


73 posted on 08/02/2005 8:29:22 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

What address?? What what?? What address is the same as Allegros?
(and sorry 'bout the mix up w/david and the den)


74 posted on 08/02/2005 8:46:48 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: bolta_lightnin; truthluva

Addresses for the Allegro and the Wyndham? Smack my face and call me duma$$...


75 posted on 08/02/2005 8:50:19 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: truthluva

The Wyndham is at Irausquin Blvd. #77
Allegro is at #83


76 posted on 08/02/2005 8:53:47 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: bolta_lightnin

Yikes. Sorry, got them mixed up. I've been looking at both of them for a couple of days now. Whew! This is getting deep.


77 posted on 08/02/2005 9:30:01 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Malichi

Malichi,
I just did a recording this morning. I'm not real
happy with it but I think some tangable info came in
none the less. It's not on my website yet. I'm still
trying to hear some of the sentences as accurately as possible.

If ppl do not want my ghost clues on this thread (or in FR)
please advise and I will not post them.
TNX

question:
There is NO Aruba Hilton now.
Where is Natalee's earth body laying right now?

so far these are what I can hear clearly:

VISABLE_THERE_WAS_SOME_DAMAGE
------there is damage at the site where she died or was hidden
SHE_FIGHT_THE_FAMILY_TREE
-------Mob family??
THE_PRESIDENT_WHAT_I_MEAN
------I guess this references Pres of Wyndham??
THE_SITE_IS_WEEDY
PEOPLE_STILL_DIE_THERE
......AND_DID_FIND_JACKETS_OF_ANIMAL
------this seems to reference the Atlantis Hotel search yesterday
where they found an animal in a bag. (I have reference to an IGGY). It could also mean they found a fur jacket or an animal print jacket or a leather jacket.
(doubt there'd be a fur jacket in Aruba)

YOULL_SEE_OUR_LADY
SHE_PHONE_HOUSE
------Natalee did call Beth's house
THE_GUYS_KNOW_HE_LEFT_---ITS_ALL_CLEAR
------Joran did go and he left Natalee with whomever
BETH___NATALEE_USE_IT_AS_HE_WAS_LEAVIN
-----they are telling Beth that the call from Natalee came as Joran was leaving her with others (remember! The message
from Natalee was: "I don't know these men)
NOT_A_LIE
attention!! Joran is telling the truth about leaving Natalee
behind.

I_SEE_SEVEN_KIDS_THERE
BUT_USUALLY_A_KID_HELPS_IN_THE_HOUSE
WHO_WAS_HE


78 posted on 08/02/2005 9:31:24 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: bolta_lightnin

The Wyndham is the old Hilton. Right? You and I posted about that back on the Natalee thread.


79 posted on 08/02/2005 9:33:47 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

yeah. I don't know why ghosts can't enunciate WYNDHAM (lol)
no, seriously. The hiding place must be on Wyndham grounds
under a portion not yet renovated. I believe that is why they defer to description as "OLD Hilton".


80 posted on 08/02/2005 9:57:01 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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