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America’s Descent Into the Third World
Chronicles Magazine ^ | Monday, July 25, 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 07/27/2005 6:21:50 AM PDT by A. Pole

The June payroll jobs report did not receive much attention due to the July 4 holiday, but the depressing 21st century job performance of the U.S. economy continues unabated.

Only 144,000 private sector jobs were created, each one of which was in domestic services.

Fifty-six thousand jobs were created in professional and business services, about half of which are in administrative and waste services.

Thirty-eight thousand jobs were created in education and health services, almost all of which are in health care and social assistance.

Nineteen thousand jobs were created in leisure and hospitality, almost all of which are waitresses and bartenders.

Membership associations and organizations created 10,000 jobs, and repair and maintenance created 4,000 jobs.

Financial activities created 16,000 jobs.

This most certainly is not the labor market profile of a First World country, much less a superpower.

Where are the jobs for this year’s crop of engineering and science graduates?

U.S. manufacturing lost another 24,000 jobs in June. A country that doesn’t manufacture doesn’t need many engineers. And the few engineering jobs available go to foreigners.

Readers have sent me employment listings from U.S. software development firms. The listings are discriminatory against American citizens. One ad from a company in New Jersey that is a developer for many companies, including Oracle, specifies that the applicant must have a TN visa.

A TN or Trade NAFTA visa is what is given to Mexicans and Canadians who are willing to work in the United States at below prevailing wages.

Another ad from a software consulting company based in Omaha, Neb., specifies it wants software engineers who are H-1B transferees. What this means is that the firm is advertising for foreigners already in the United States who have H-1B work visas.

The reason the U.S. firms specify that they have employment opportunities only for foreigners who hold work visas is because the foreigners will work for less than the prevailing U.S. salary.

Gentle reader, when you read allegations that there is a shortage of engineers in America, necessitating the importation of foreigners to do the work, you are reading a bald-faced lie. If there were a shortage of American engineers, employers would not word their job listings to read that no American need apply and that they are offering jobs only to foreigners holding work visas.

What kind of country gives preference to foreigners over its own engineering graduates?

What kind of country destroys the job market for its own citizens?

How much longer will parents shell out $100,000 for a college education for a son or daughter who ends up employed as a bartender, waitress or temp?


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To: Admin Moderator

I quoted someone who posted to me. I'm sorry but I used the same offensive term in the reply, #380.
Feel free to edit out the offensive word, or delete the comment, and I'll repost without the offensive language.

Again, sorry.


381 posted on 07/27/2005 6:41:04 PM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: iconoclast

But Mr. Ropert's musings WERE B.S., designed to mislead the gullible.

Oh? What's that?

You actually believe Robert's B.S.?

Bwahahahahah...

I wonder. Wouldn't you be happier sharing your self-righteous, naive "anger" with the DUmmies?


382 posted on 07/27/2005 6:44:10 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Paul Ross; A. Pole; neutronsgalore
Outstanding post, I love how you shoot down the "buggy whip" argument. We did not outsource buggy whips, we started building cars. It seems like a lot of the people here let Rush (talent on loan from Oxycotin) Limbaugh do their thinking for them and just regurgitate what they hear him. Especially the ones who spout off about "I ran a trade deficit with my grocer last year." I certainly hope they exported enough labor to their employer to cover the trade deficit with all the stores they shop at.

I think we should reactivate the Strategic Air Command, and equip it with a bomber force comparable to the Reagan era. That would be 18 Bomb Wings. Clinton slashed our bomber fleet, and Dubya cut it even smaller! Boeing is mulling over a 747 Advanced, that would make an excellent tanker and could even be fitted with hard points for cruise missiles. We could increase our striking power and hit Airbus both.

We could pay for SAC with funds saved by allowing the EU to defend itself, so the American taxpayer no longer has to pick up the tab for France and Germany, and be forced to subsidize Airbus by the back door.
383 posted on 07/27/2005 6:54:45 PM PDT by fallujah-nuker (Atque ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appelant)
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To: durasell

First in line to honor the new hefe will get the greatest reward.


384 posted on 07/27/2005 7:04:50 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: mercy

What's a "hefe?"


385 posted on 07/27/2005 7:13:26 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell; All

I know things are fine now, however, there are some problems and the problems are idiotic lawsuits, over regulation, over taxation, idiot kids, and much more.


386 posted on 07/27/2005 7:28:42 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: You Dirty Rats
The relentless drive for efficiency has been fueled by astronomical costs for workers in this country -- particularly in the area of medical benefits.

The only way to return to profitabililty after running up unfunded pension liabilities is to go after Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The airlines did it, the steel industry did it and now GM and Ford will do it. The unions have runup the tab so high that they have priced themselves out of business.

387 posted on 07/27/2005 7:29:01 PM PDT by Podkayne (Hear no evil, See no evil, speak no evil begets more evil)
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To: ninenot

Well for one thing, Mr. Roberts said,

"Fifty-six thousand jobs were created in professional and business services, about half of which which were in administrative and waste services."

I gather the inclusion of the phrase "...and waste services," was intended to deceive the gullible.

Actually that report shows NO increase in waste MANAGEMENT AND REMEDIATION services on a year to year basis. So the increase in employment came from:

Legal services: up 20,000 from 2004
Architectural/engineering services: up 76,000 since 2004
Computer systems design: up 43,000 since 2004
Management and technical consulting: up 27,000 since 2004
Management of companies: up 27,000 since 2004
Etc.

I wonder if the reason that it took Mr. Roberts more than two weeks to spin the good news in June's Employment Situation Summary into bad news, was fear that some iconoclast would call him on his misrepresentation of the facts presented in that report.

But he shouldn't have worried about that.

This thread proves that, even here in the FR, there are plenty of gullible shallow-thinkers.



388 posted on 07/27/2005 7:29:17 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: pfony1; All

Something made PCR ticked at GW.. I guess he wanted a position and he was denied...


389 posted on 07/27/2005 7:31:09 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: durasell
The only responsibility a CEO has is to the owners of the company, the stockholders.

The legal corporation entity may be the real culprit behind the decline of American civilization. When a company exists on paper for the sole purpose of obtaining profit with the minimum possible accountabililty then there's bound to be problems. Small mom and pop businesses and small business (less than 500 employees) in general are way more accountable day to day and over time than are large multi national corporations that act more like robber barons.

390 posted on 07/27/2005 7:35:32 PM PDT by Podkayne (Hear no evil, See no evil, speak no evil begets more evil)
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To: snowsislander

I wondered why your "analysis" that "proved" that our manufacturing output was weak ignored 2005's statistics for manufacturing output -- so I looked them up.

I see that manufacturing output was 118.6 in March, 118.2 in April, 118.6 in May and 119.7 in June -- well above the output figures from Clinton's "golden years".

I wonder. Will you NOW apologize for presenting misleading statistics to us?


391 posted on 07/27/2005 7:41:20 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Paul Ross

I see that the good news about Boeing's order-book has eluded you.

Have you considered taking a course in "Anger Management"?


392 posted on 07/27/2005 7:47:01 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Podkayne

No offense, but I see the same kind of posts over at DU. The corporate this and the corporate that.

The fact of the matter is, if we want corporate entities to be good citizens, then we should pass laws that require them to be good citizens.


393 posted on 07/27/2005 7:56:42 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: jpsb

You said, "we don't make (real) steel here anymore."

Gee...

What do you suppose the 466,300 American workers in "primary metals" and the 1,528,500 American workers in "fabricated metal products" DO every day after they clock in?

I feel compelled to say: "Gotcha!"


394 posted on 07/27/2005 8:04:13 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Paul Ross

You have identified what is wrong with the pasty-faces at the Pentagon.

In the building, they are always fighting the last war (or action) and resource accordingly. 'Pod.


395 posted on 07/27/2005 8:04:49 PM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: A. Pole

Speaking as an engineer, Congress is populated by dolts!


396 posted on 07/27/2005 8:06:44 PM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: iconoclast

"Fascinating", but FALSE.

Is it time to change your handle to "Iconbfooled"?



397 posted on 07/27/2005 8:16:12 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: durasell; All

But that is Big Government.. Yet we want small Government.. We can't have it both ways...


398 posted on 07/27/2005 8:21:21 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: GingisK

Very funny...

Do you have anything to support your claim that a US made woodworking router costs $7.28 to make?

You DUmmies tend to overplay your hands, don't you?


399 posted on 07/27/2005 8:24:37 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: montag813; All

I'm thinking he wanted a position in the Bush adminstration and he was denied.. Someone said he worked in the Reagan adminstration, well Ronald Reagan also nominated Sandra O'Conner. We all make mistakes including the Gipper.


400 posted on 07/27/2005 8:24:40 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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