Posted on 06/30/2005 2:51:57 PM PDT by CHARLITE
Rhode Island Governor Donald L. Carcieri has vetoed a "medical marijuana" bill, saying it would encourage marijuana use and criminal activity. His veto comes as an anti-drug group has released dramatic video footage of a marijuana activist declaring that he uses dope for a health problem that he doesn't really have. The bottom line for this activist, Ed Rosenthal, is that "I like to get high. Marijuana is fun." The video has the potential of dealing a major blow to the "medical marijuana" movement, largely funded by billionaire George Soros.
The video footage, posted at the website http://www.sorosmonitor.com, gives the lie to the claim that we often see in the media that smoking marijuana is a legitimate medical treatment for people with diseases. Rosenthal, who was associated with High Times magazine for many years, is shown speaking to dozens of marijuana activists. "With all the talk about medical marijuana, I have to tell you that I also use marijuana medically (laughter)," he says. "I have a latent glaucoma, which has never been diagnosed (more laughter). And the reason why it has never been diagnosed is because I've been treating it (laughter)…But there is a reason why I do use it. And that is because I like to get high. (cheers, applause). Marijuana is fun."
The video proves that "medical marijuana" is a joke to those on the inside of the pro-pot movement who realize that getting the public and the media to accept the notion that smoking marijuana alleviates health problems is a major step down the road to complete legalization of dope.
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Baloney.
It doesn't apply to Oxycontin since Oxycontin is legal -- legal because it has recognized medical use in the U.S.
Let it go. You'll never understand the concept. Any comments on the subject of the thread, "Medical Marijuana is a Hoax"?
Wrong ... all that is required for the Hidden Law argument to apply is that a substance *could be* illegal. Since you're not grasping the concept, I'll spell it out for you: the Hidden Law argument as applied to Oxycontin is that if it were illegal those who really needed it could use it and evade legal punishment if they were discreet, so the world would work as it is supposed to.
Any comments on the subject of the thread, "Medical Marijuana is a Hoax"?
Yes ... you yourself have denied that claim: "For the small fraction of one percent of people for whom nothing else works, the Hidden Law works quite well if they are discreet."
If it were. It is not. It doesn't apply.
The Hidden Law is not some goal of mine. It was used to fill in the gray area between legal and illegal activity.
You're uncomfortable with gray -- you love black and white. And you would force all activity into one of these two distinct groups, even though some activity belongs in neither.
Oxycontin is not illegal and won't be illegal because it does fit into a black & white scheme -- it has legitimate, recognized medical use in the U.S.
Now, are you talking about people abusing Oxycontin, using it illegally, then looking to the Hidden Law for justification? Nope, won't work. Not when it's available legally
If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Video Exposes Medical Marijuana as Hoax - (shows addicts LOL-ing about what a joke the law is!)"
Logical Fallacy Alert!
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The Fallacy of Composition.
A fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some (or even every) part of the whole. For example: "This fragment of metal cannot be broken with a hammer, therefore the machine of which it is a part cannot be broken with a hammer." This is clearly fallacious, because many machines can be broken into their constituent parts without any of those parts being so breakable.
This fallacy is often confused with the fallacy of hasty generalization, in which an unwarranted inference is made from a sample to the population from which it is drawn.
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To put it another way, just because SOME people abuse the law, does not mean that ALL people who use it abuse it.
It also doesn't imply ANYTHING about whether actual people are helped by it. In fact, to those it helps, and these idiots are doing them a disservice by hijacking their legitimate need.
"Medical Marijuana is a Hoax".
It's not a hoax, it's just abused by some people who are trying to legalize it.
The US Government supplies medical marijuana to a handfull of patients, btw.
"The enforcement of the drug laws are to try and reduce the stupidity and danger to everyone regarding their use.
You are not a user and conservative, because you have to throw out common sense, responsibility and self reliance to be participating in that garbage."
Remove word drug, insert word Gun.
Do you work for Handgun Control Inc, by any chance?
And you think it fills in that area well, which begs the question of why we don't put more abusable medications in that area ... a question you keep ducking for obvious reasons.
I would be very interested in hearing just how you came by these "thoughts" on the Constitution and the Republic. First, the Founders were pretty explicit in stating that government gets its JUST powers from the consent of the governed. I can't give consent to government to do things in my name or on my behalf that I do not have the legitimate authority to do myself. Nor can you.
And "saving lives" is NO JUSTIFICATION for any form of government activity. Period. End of story. The SOLE reason for establishing the Constitution for the United States was to ensure that the legitimate rights of ALL Americans were protected. My right to life is to be protected only from the actions of others, outside myself, not from me. Should I choose to do something which risks my life, I am free to do so. You are not. Nor are you permitted to protect me from myself. My life is not yours to control in any way, shape or form. In fact, the ONLY life that is yours to control is yours. So you can keep your laws off MY body.
Also remember that individual rights are neither granted nor REGULATED by government and NOT subject to a vote by ANYONE, Judge, Executive, Legislator or YOU. Rights are granted by God and are absolute by nature. For example, my right to protect and defend my life and property is absolute and unlimited. My "right" to interfere in your life without your explicit consent is non-existent. My right to ingest or refrain from ingesting whatever pleases me in the privacy of my home or in other specific locations is absolute. My "right" to endanger you by driving or doing dangerous things in public places while intoxicated by any substance is non-existent. And on it goes. Any questions? Check with the Founders.
The General Welfare clause is a GOAL, NOT A GRANT OF AUTHORITY. The authority granted to government is limited and explicit, as noted in the Tenth Amendment. Read and heed.
Ah, I see. You believe smoked marijuana is a Schedule I drug because it is abusable, and, therefore, all medications capable of being abused belong there.
Stop it.
And just how do they "abuse" it? Well, they they take part in a scheme whereby they find a willing doctor who will write a recommendation so they can go to some medical marijuana co-op to purchase marijuana for some made up malady, like "pain".
You call it abuse. I call that a hoax -- "deliberate trickery intended to gain an advantage".
"The US Government supplies medical marijuana to a handfull of patients, btw."
Ah. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, huh?
You are obviously not a toker.
You have it but don't use it?
You're holding man.
That's bad manners.
MrLeRoy will be so disappointed.
legalization is a joke. anyone who wants marijuana can get it anytime he wants from his uncle or the guy who drives the ice cream truck, or his anthropology prof.
Funny thing is that I'm the last person in the world who could be termed an "expert" on this subject. (I took 2 puffs from a marijuana cigarette about 3 decades ago and that did it for me - never went near the substance ever again, and never saw another one of them, either). Yet, your comment reflects exactly what I think of this issue anyway. Seems like simple logic to me.
Thanks for your comment, invisible hand! You sound like a down-to-earth character.......and a straight shooter, too!
Char :)
I believe smoked marijuana is a Schedule I drug because too many government salaries depend on it being there. You and I both know it's not there because it has no medical use.
You call it abuse. I call that a hoax
A very similar sort of thing happens with Oxycontin; would it therefore be accurate to say, "medical Oxycontin is a hoax"?
Now your statement makes sense.
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