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LIVE THREAD: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY PRESS CONFERENCE11:00 AM EST FROM CLEARWATER, FLA
ABC Action News Local Affiliate, Tampa, FL | June 15, 2005 | Floriduh Voter

Posted on 06/15/2005 7:59:51 AM PDT by floriduh voter

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To: Howlin

It was Michael.

There are affadavits from nurses that state this.

I don't know if the ME mispoke intentionally or accidentally - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was accidentally.

It was NOT after a visit by the parents, but after visits by MS.

But why was this even brought up?

Certainly drugs given years before would not have shown up in an autopsy - so why even mention this?


761 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:08 AM PDT by Texas Deb
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Well, obviously, Thogmartin is no Gil Grissom!

Today's autopsy was brought to you by the same man who also found NO FOUL PLAY in the starvation/dehydration death of LISA McPherson at Scientology headquarters!!!
762 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:18 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: All

What has bothered me about this all along is the blame given to those who tried to save her but who simply would not go beyond the legal constitutional limits of their jobs to do more. Had they done that we wouldn't respect their actions and they would have sacrificed all in the process.
Isn't the REAL issue here, the one that lives beyond Terri, the fact that death by starvation and dehydration is an accepted and common practice in every state? Shouldn't we be addressing that and perhaps making the loss of Ms Schiavo stand for something, like humane change? That goes beyond conspiracy theories and constant blame and these never-ending arguments on this forum, it's a matter of real action. And it must be possible to eliminate such a barbaric approach.


763 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:20 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: Howlin
No. Just stating that many of us believe that the sanctity of life supercedes the sanctity of marriage in a case such as this one.

We still believe that marriage is a sacred vow, but not when it comes to ending a life that the parents want to be spared.

I hope you understand that position.

764 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:25 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Spiff
So, if their guardian decided that the best thing for them would be to end their life by shooting them in the head, that would be OK too?

And you all wonder why nobody takes anything you say with any credence?

At least make an ATTEMPT to keep in touch with the truth or reality.

765 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:31 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: ohioWfan
The false accusations have got to go.

You're right. But unfortunately and pathetically, some people have let their lives revolve around these so-called accusations. Some have even put up web sites based on them. That makes it difficult if not impossible to let go. In the long run they have only harmed what they espoused.

766 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:34 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: Kretek

I already have been.


767 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:37 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Terri had a right, as an American citizen, to decide her own fate in a situation like the one she was in.

And if she is unable to speak for herself, spouses have traditionally been able to act on their behalf. It is only in cases where there is dispute that the courts intervene at all.

For you to say a spouse should not have that right, while complaining about the courts intervening uninvited into people's lives is utter hypocrisy. Do you want a court involved in the decision of family or not?

768 posted on 06/15/2005 10:25:55 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: cyncooper
How interesting that noting what is said at a news conference makes one a "death ghoul" or "gloating".

This is a fundamental structural problem of internet discussion sites in general. People lurch off half-cocked without fully understanding where someone is coming from.

769 posted on 06/15/2005 10:26:23 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: mountaineer
Well we will never know now will we? Any person with nothing to hide, would have said to the parents..."fine you show me conclusive evidence that she wants to live and I will hand her over to you..."

Any judge, with nothing to hide, would have followed thru with the investigations to find out the answer to that question.

What were they so afraid of?

770 posted on 06/15/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: EternalVigilance; nickcarraway; TAdams8591; a5478; dennisw; brigette; Chef Dajuan; ...

Autopsy ping


771 posted on 06/15/2005 10:26:41 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: Texas Deb

Soory, I didn't believe the nurses. And evidently neither did the police.


772 posted on 06/15/2005 10:26:48 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Halls
I don't care if all the evindance in the world proves to me all what i believe to be lies,

The technical term for this is, "Dragged kicking and screaming."
Reality is what doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.
773 posted on 06/15/2005 10:26:50 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: floriduh voter
Terri was a little chunky as a child, lost her baby fat, dieted a little

250 lbs. is more than a 'little chunky' or 'baby fat'. And losing 130 lbs. is more than 'dieting a little'.

774 posted on 06/15/2005 10:26:51 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: sinkspur; MarMema
I think the husband was into injections of insulin, which can be purchased over the counter, and was trying to kill her.

This is the first I've heard of this.

On what do you base this accusation?

Some nurse hinted in an affidavit at this (did not declare it flat out as some here pretend---she only swore to a narrow point of claiming to see a vial and on tv embellished--she was let go by the facility).

The ME today said they reviewed these charges and found zero evidence to support this claim.

775 posted on 06/15/2005 10:27:47 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Halls
Huh..listen to yourself. How in the heck can you believe in a person's right to a "living will" if you truly believed what you just wrote to me and I quote:

"No, i never said that, but go ahead and put words into my mouth, I don't care. fact is Living will's or not, No one has the right to determine when their life ends, and no one has the right to end someone else's life. God desides when life ends!"

Oops..Not only do you NOT believe in Living Wills, but you don't have the guts to admit to it...

776 posted on 06/15/2005 10:28:06 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (What happens in Aruba..stays in Aruba))
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To: malakhi

She was 250 pounds??! How long did it take for her to lose the weight?


777 posted on 06/15/2005 10:28:22 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Halls
"fact is Living will's or not, No one has the right to determine when their life ends ..."

Really? Are you suggesting that there are laws currently in effect criminalizing living wills and suicide?

Or are you just advocating the institution of such laws?

778 posted on 06/15/2005 10:28:40 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: HairOfTheDog
A spouse who has lied under oath, a spouse who lives with another woman and has children with her?

Would you feel comfortable with your husband speaking for your life when he has moved on and is in love with a different woman?

779 posted on 06/15/2005 10:28:47 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: neutrality
And to order an innocent, defenseless human being to be put to death on hearsay; nothing in writing, rather than err on the side of life, absent anything in writing, is just wrong.

Just wrong.

Any way you gussy it up in Sunday's best and put Tammy Faye amounts of lipstick on it.

780 posted on 06/15/2005 10:29:13 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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