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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?
While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.
Stars with bars:
Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.
Some things are better left dead in the past:
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.
Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.
Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:
So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?
Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.
This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.
Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.
At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.
So what do you think of this movie?
Comparing low wages with slavery, a very interesting comparsion.
Do you understand the misery du Bloc Québécois (leftist) has brought to the former duel English/French speaking city of Montréal?
Thanks to the bullying Bloc Québécois the city on the Saint Lawence now has 'language police'!
Quoting from a linked 2003 artical:
'Recently, the language police that enforce Bill 101, the Québec French-first law, served notice on the Sir Winston Churchill Pub in Montréal, the favourite hangout of the late Mordecai Richler. The pub argued it was bilingual. The Québec language police said it wasn't French enough. "Bonjour, not good day" was the right thing to say and, said the Québec language police, it was not being said at the Sir Winston Churchill Pub.'
Québec has ridiculously strict language laws that are enforced by "language police." Laws dictate that all road signs in Québec must be written in French, despite the fact that most Québécois speak English and that English is the dominant language of the rest of Canada. Commercial signs must also be in French. If a second language is used, the non-French lettering must be less than half the size of the French writing.If imported commercial signs/window displays are in English expect a fat fine if they are not removed.
Retaining French culture is fine & must be protected, even I will acknowledge the wrongs committed against the Québécois upon the British victory at the end of the French & Indian Wars, (The French did the same), however making the overall situation so miserable that English speakers evacuate to Toronto, Ottawa & beyond only hurts the economics of Montréal, and for that matter the entire Provence.
This is not 1763, but the countless regressive economic & societal actions of left-wing Bloc Québécois would have one think the French & Indian wars were still being fought, and in their eyes they are. I wonder who that sounds like?
Are the goals of the Parti Québécois a 'fine example' the Neo-Confederates hold up as a model? Good Lord, you people need to spend a solid month in Montréal trying to get by only speaking English and then you shall be singing a differant tune.
I love Montréal, but not the radicals of from the Parti Québécois.
In terms of Los Estados Unidos de Azatlan, the solution is construct a wall the entire length of the border and electify it.
"the new & GREATLY improved SOUTHRON REPUBLIC will vote with our collective feet." Pure foolishness happening only in the mindset of those deeply entrenched in the worst aspects of a defeated lost cause for die hard white supremacists, drenched in the evils of the failed past.
More importantly, what does God think of them. (Rom.13:10)
So true. Each one on earth shall have to answer for past deeds .
"Oh, and I'm not a "neo-Confederate", either. Let's get that straight, too, while we're at it."
Shades of Dr. Goebbels' argumentum ad nauseam?
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
President Abraham Lincoln
In here everyone is abundantly clear of the shaky ground on which you stagger. Now, you can return & "finish drinking your life away", since I do not drink another stronger then AJ Stephans' Root Beer, plus Boston's pubs are a 4 hour drive, just to view you pitifully sloshed---singing.. "I wish I were in the land of cotton...".. rum pot. I'll take a rain check..lol
Yeah, I owe him money.
Which are two more than you seem to have learned.
Ya think? The Federalist Party believed in Federal superiority.
I think that says enough of what most people thought of New England's attempts to secede.
Ixnay on the documentation?
Read it again. I refer to FREE blacks, not slaves.
Nope. Slavery did exist. From before our founding, before the Declaration of Independence, before the Articles and Constitution. It was even legal, with many a yankee forture built on the trade.
Maybe it was all a Yankee myth put forth to justify conquering the South?
Yep. Lincoln and Congress specifically stated that the war was not to free a single slave.
The deep South fought for slavery expansion.
Bravo Sierra. There were only a handful of blacks in all the territories, which had been open for decades. There was not going to be any 'Tara' West.
The border states that remained loyal to the Union would not even give up their slaves for compensation.
Slave states for Union, slave states for non-union. The seceded sates REFUSED to return to the union even when promised an Amendment guarateeing slavery FOREVER. Then the cause must have been something other than slavery, eh?
The South had developed a philosophy (supported by certain Christian churches) that slavery was a right that had to be defended like a property right.
That certainly never stopped the Yankee slave trade as long as it was legal.
If slavery was so unimportant to the 'noble freedom loving Southerners' why then was it written into their Constitution as a explicit right?
Because it was a state issue, not one for the federal government. States were free to abolish slavery whenever they desired.
The U.S. constitution never directly mentions slavery because the Founders expected it to eventually to end.
It doesn't mention women voters either, or abortion, or homosexual marriage - are they constitutional?
The Confederacy was intent on making sure that never happened.
Where is Emancipation enumeration in the US Constituion? Oh wait, I forgot - Lincoln et al offered to make slavery PERMANENT.
I don't drink either. Jon.
Demented murderers, the dregs of society. The same that murder today, regardless of race. Murder is murder.
The same kind of demoniacal criminals would slaughter women & little children during the Holocaust.
Ditto.
Now waht about the kind of people that would slaughter/starve women & little children during the War of Northern Aggression?
There was no rebellion.
You claim that you left the Union, in part because of what you saw as Constitutional violations of the Fugitive Slave acts, but Constitutional violations of your own were justified. Why am I not surprised that you would cook up some justification?
Says Mr. "All the Laws but One". Says Mr. "Ex Parte Milligan Was a Joke".
a Why am I not surprised? Don't bother answering -- that's a rhetorical question.
So they could gun the coolies down the night before payday, and the Chinese didn't have a big old navy they could send over to protect their nationals from these guys?
Yes there was.
Says Mr. "All the Laws but One". Says Mr. "Ex Parte Milligan Was a Joke".
So you would be Mr. "All the Laws I Feel Like Obeying"?
bump
Correctamundo. Besides, the coolies worked for slave wages, while free blacks would have required much higher wages.
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