Confederate States Of America (2005)

Yahoo Movies ^ | 12/31/04 | Me

[Caipirabob]

What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?

While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.

Stars with bars:

Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.

Some things are better left dead in the past:

For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.

Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.

Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:

So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?

Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.

This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.

Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.

At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.

So what do you think of this movie?

[stand watie]

it's a PITY, since you are ABLE to read webster, that you aren't bright enough to leave damnyankeeland & join our struggle for LIBERTY.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

Mr. Dem, may i present the BRIGHTEST of the unionist coven on FR, Non-Sequitur, the Minister of Damnyankee Propaganda? (N-S is, up to now, the ONLY damnyankee on FR with both a sound education & a brain AND he a worthy opponent.)

AND Good Afternoon to you, Mr. Minister, this is MrDem & NEW to the WBTS threads. say, HI to him. i believe him to be one of yours.

free dixie,sw

[GOPcapitalist]

Why are extreme measures justified for the Davis regime but an unforgivable crime for the Lincoln administration?

Quoth the Non-Sequitur: "Squack! Tu quoque!"

[4CJ]

So two Virginians might have held it to be treason. Any 1st person accounts?

[4CJ]

But rather than hire Canadians, who are unionized, employers are making contracts with labor "contractor" firms, who then do the necessary dirty work by saying, "well, we tried to find workers at the below-market wage we want to pay, so there's nothing to do but petition the provincial government for relief, in the form of permission to import 1,500 foreign workers whom we can pay those yummy low wages we like."

Post-war was no different, with the yankees doing the same to attract "Coolies" to work on the railroad, instead of hiring millions of free blacks. I wonder why?

[Non-Sequitur]

I hope he foresaw a UNC victory tomorrow nite....

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.

[GOPcapitalist]

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.

Hey everybody! Our resident parrot has learned two new words!

[PrkChps]

You are absolutely right. Endless taxation, mindless (liberal, tree-hugging) regulation, leftist ex-hippie judges who let criminals romp and gays wed,real estate prices that will make your eyes pop out, and eight months a year of crappy weather. I am pulling the ripcord on this benighted state. I consider my future move to the South to be a favor I am doing to my yet-unborn grandchildren. Could be FL, NC, GA, SC or TX. We have not made up our minds exactly where yet...so suggestions are welcome! I retired early, turn 45 next month, and will no longer live in the people's republic. I live about three miles from Ted the Lifeguard, my Senator. He depresses property values. As soon as my daughter graduates, we're gone!

[MrDem]

and you support (the a.n.s.w.e.r.) cretins' "KILL THE JEWS" signs????

No, of course not!

damnyankees are NOTORIOUS for being ANTI-Semites

Really? That's not my experience. Half of New York (Yankees) IS Jewish. LOL!

[MrDem]

it's a PITY, since you are ABLE to read webster, that you aren't bright enough to leave damnyankeeland & join our struggle for LIBERTY.

Leave damnyankeeland? Do you mean move to the South?

[mac_truck]

Why are extreme measures justified for the Davis regime but an unforgivable crime for the Lincoln administration?

Good question.

[fortheDeclaration]

The actions destroyed the Federalist party nationally.

I think that says enough of what most people thought of New England's attempts to secede.

[fortheDeclaration]

Why are extreme measures justified for the Davis regime but an unforgivable crime for the Lincoln administration? Because Lincoln was in a position that he advertised as taking care that the laws be executed? Because he was the one who insisted that federal writ must continue to run inviolate in States that had left the Union? Because the Confederates had the larger task, and the broader radius of action, of creating a new Confederacy and Government de novo under conditions of greater exigency that admitted of no delay, but allowed a broader toleration for compromises of ee.g. juridical and fiscal scruple?

Oh, Lincoln had to sit by while the South had 4 months to take over forts and treasuries.

He had to deal with treason in his own Army, and in fact, he had no army to speak of.

And Lincoln is the one who is the evil tyrant, while Davis gets a free pass?

Both men faced extreme conditions and had to use extreme methods.

If you are going to damn one you have to damn the other.

[fortheDeclaration]

Before you scoff, show how the South would have been worse off under this arrangement.

They would not have been Americans, that is how they would have been worse off.

But, one group would have been better off, the black, who was essentially reenslaved by the ex-confederates who returned home defeated and bitter and took it out on the freed slaves.

[fortheDeclaration]

Boy, to hear you guys talk, slavery didn't even exist in the South!

Maybe it was all a Yankee myth put forth to justify conquering the South?

The deep South fought for slavery expansion.

The border states that remained loyal to the Union would not even give up their slaves for compensation.

The South had developed a philosophy (supported by certain Christian churches) that slavery was a right that had to be defended like a property right.

If slavery was so unimportant to the 'noble freedom loving Southerners' why then was it written into their Constitution as a explicit right?

The U.S. constitution never directly mentions slavery because the Founders expected it to eventually to end.

The Confederacy was intent on making sure that never happened.

[fortheDeclaration]

Leave damnyankeeland? Do you mean move to the South?

I did and its great!

Married a beautiful Southern girl.

I highly recomend it.

It is after all, part of the United States.

[fortheDeclaration]

Why are extreme measures justified for the Davis regime but an unforgivable crime for the Lincoln administration? Quoth the Non-Sequitur: "Squack! Tu quoque!"

Brilliant retort!

I guess that will have to do as a substitute for a real answer.

[fortheDeclaration]

Everyone should read the "Daniel Webster vs Robert Hayne" debate. It details the real issues very well.

Amen!

[fortheDeclaration]

Enough already. We are ONE NATION. I, for one, like it that way. I will always love Texas best, but it does not mean that I don't love the other 49 states.

Amen!

[fortheDeclaration]

Mr. Dem, may i present the BRIGHTEST of the unionist coven on FR, Non-Sequitur, the Minister of Damnyankee Propaganda? (N-S is, up to now, the ONLY damnyankee on FR with both a sound education & a brain AND he a worthy opponent.)

Hey, N-S, Stand gave you a compliment!