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To: fortheDeclaration
Boy, to hear you guys talk, slavery didn't even exist in the South!

Nope. Slavery did exist. From before our founding, before the Declaration of Independence, before the Articles and Constitution. It was even legal, with many a yankee forture built on the trade.

Maybe it was all a Yankee myth put forth to justify conquering the South?

Yep. Lincoln and Congress specifically stated that the war was not to free a single slave.

The deep South fought for slavery expansion.

Bravo Sierra. There were only a handful of blacks in all the territories, which had been open for decades. There was not going to be any 'Tara' West.

The border states that remained loyal to the Union would not even give up their slaves for compensation.

Slave states for Union, slave states for non-union. The seceded sates REFUSED to return to the union even when promised an Amendment guarateeing slavery FOREVER. Then the cause must have been something other than slavery, eh?

The South had developed a philosophy (supported by certain Christian churches) that slavery was a right that had to be defended like a property right.

That certainly never stopped the Yankee slave trade as long as it was legal.

If slavery was so unimportant to the 'noble freedom loving Southerners' why then was it written into their Constitution as a explicit right?

Because it was a state issue, not one for the federal government. States were free to abolish slavery whenever they desired.

The U.S. constitution never directly mentions slavery because the Founders expected it to eventually to end.

It doesn't mention women voters either, or abortion, or homosexual marriage - are they constitutional?

The Confederacy was intent on making sure that never happened.

Where is Emancipation enumeration in the US Constituion? Oh wait, I forgot - Lincoln et al offered to make slavery PERMANENT.

4,171 posted on 04/04/2005 6:07:31 AM PDT by 4CJ (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. Good-bye Terri. We'll miss you both.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Boy, to hear you guys talk, slavery didn't even exist in the South! Nope. Slavery did exist. From before our founding, before the Declaration of Independence, before the Articles and Constitution. It was even legal, with many a yankee forture built on the trade.

And that made it right?

Jefferson put the responsibility of slavery existing on the British.

That was why the Founders wanted slavery banned in new States, since they did not want those States burdened with the same problem they had been.

Maybe it was all a Yankee myth put forth to justify conquering the South? Yep. Lincoln and Congress specifically stated that the war was not to free a single slave.

Well, then Lincoln did not use slavery as an issue for the war then, now did he?

He fought the war because he had taken a vow to uphold the Constitution and that meant enforcing the laws.

The deep South fought for slavery expansion. Bravo Sierra. There were only a handful of blacks in all the territories, which had been open for decades. There was not going to be any 'Tara' West.

I said the Deep South, like Mississippi.

Are you telling me that slavery expansion was not the crucial issue in Kansas and Missouri?

Are you telling me that slavery 'rights' were not the reason for the Southern Democrats rejection of Douglas and the splitting up the Democrat party?

The border states that remained loyal to the Union would not even give up their slaves for compensation. Slave states for Union, slave states for non-union. The seceded sates REFUSED to return to the union even when promised an Amendment guarateeing slavery FOREVER. Then the cause must have been something other than slavery, eh?

No, because it was about slavery expansion (you guys seem to be very dense on that issue)

The South was not concerned about the slaver it had already,but were worried about the loss of political power due to the entrance of free states into the Union.

The South had developed a philosophy (supported by certain Christian churches) that slavery was a right that had to be defended like a property right. That certainly never stopped the Yankee slave trade as long as it was legal.

And what does that have to do with anything?

If slavery was so unimportant to the 'noble freedom loving Southerners' why then was it written into their Constitution as a explicit right? Because it was a state issue, not one for the federal government. States were free to abolish slavery whenever they desired.

The Confederacy stated explicitly that one race had a right to be enslaved.

That had nothing to do with the freedom to end slavery in any state.

As a matter of fact, each state had to allow slaves into its state no matter what it itself outlawed to its own citizens, effectively making every state in the Confederacy a slave state, no matter what they wanted to be.

The U.S. constitution never directly mentions slavery because the Founders expected it to eventually to end. It doesn't mention women voters either, or abortion, or homosexual marriage - are they constitutional? Depends on if they are moral or not, now doesn't it?

The Confederacy was intent on making sure that never happened. Where is Emancipation enumeration in the US Constitution? Oh wait, I forgot - Lincoln et al offered to make slavery PERMANENT.

Lincoln attempted to ensure the South that they had nothing to fear from him in violating the Constitution.

They had a legal right for slaves in their states and for their return.

The one principle that Lincoln refused to budge on was slavery expansion and that was what the South was really concerned about.

Frankly your attempts at revisionist history are getting wearisome.

4,205 posted on 04/04/2005 1:25:53 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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