Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv
Hi, gang,
I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.
I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.
Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?
Ask her why she has an ultimate need to kill her own babies and deny them the right to see the world. Why would she want the power to banish her own child to nothingness for eternity?
How very cruel - a mother deciding her own child does not deserve to be a part of this world but should instead be given no chance to live ever. It merely shows the depravity and selfishness of that mother.
Adoption is always an option should one be such a fool as to ignore all the birth control options available.
Ones belief in a Creator tends to make that person a conservative since modern liberals don't, modern liberal are secular humanists.
Not even fire and brinstone preachers think man is evil, since they feel that souls can be saved. Each of us can be good, and do good, if we choose that path. Happily most of us mostly do choose the path of rightious living, ergo man is mostly good.
BTW, the BATF is the only US government funded TERRORIST GROUP.
YOUR EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US!
Main Objective: To Defeat Terrorists.
Corporate Objective, American Workers come first.
U.S. Moral Foundation according to the Founders,
Judeo,Christian.
OPs4 God BLess America!
Do you have to teach a child to be bad? NO, it is already instilled in the hearts of man. Evil is sinful. Sin is against God's will. I guess Adam and Eve didn't have to be told to not eat from the forbidden tree either, they were just so good, they would leave it alone on their own.
You are right, Fire and brimstone preachers do not think man is evil, they now man can be evil. It is through God's word that we build restraint from those tendencies.
And yes, every human can be saved, it is thier choice wether or not to do so. If man wasn't evil, then Jesus didn't have to die for sins of mankind.
No sir, it is you that is wrong.
I think it's more she thinks that she supports abortion because she considers herself a liberal and that is sort of the defining chapter in the book of lib. I don't try to convert her , at least not obviously. I make occasional arguments in less important areas that she agrees with and then might mention the stance of one of the parties or a member of one. Usually she is surprised by who she is in agreement with. Eventually I'll show her the Silent Scream video and I think she'll have a change of heart. Hopefully so because I could never be very serious with someone who would support something as horrible as abortion.
If the majority of a black population can only afford what they can in a certain part of the town, guess where they are going. Same for anyone. As far as I could tell, there wasn't any questionaire on my sex life when I bought this house. So, the state doesn't tell you where to go. Can it? Well, Emminent Domain seems to be a big thing these days, but that doesn't discriminate. It effects a whole neighborhood.
howdy rogerv,
welcome to FR.
here's a funny spoof you might get a kick out of.
http://rope.wbap.com/audio/stubie-christmas.wma
Oh, and Merry Christmas!
yeah! ;^D
It's for the "Festivus" holidays
Diplomacy is saying "Nice doggie", while searching for a stick
It's kinda like filling a paperbag with dogs**t, setting it on fire, ringing the doorbell and running away.
Only here, we have folks who can put out the fire without stomping on the bag.
Tell me who said that, and you'll be OK in my book.
The thing is, you don't have to engage her on the subject of abortion at all, AFA the relative pros and cons - the thing to do is (IMO) engage her in *why she thinks THIS ONE ISSUE is so important.
That way you can dig into her (obviously very shallow) psychology and inflict some real damage, where as if you just try to argue the morality of abortion, she'll just find a way to pigeonhole you and your arguments.
The point is, liberal airhead women can argue in favor of abortion, and always find some grounds (in their minds) upon which to base their arguments - but when you start digging into the *relative importance* of it, compared to other issues, their obsession with the issue can't hold up under intellectual scrutiny by any standards - and none of the feminist platitudes they've memorized will help them survive your attack.
I.e., while one can make valid arguments that that First Amendment, or Second Amendment, issues should be used as a litmus test for a political party or candidate, it is impossible, as far as I can tell, to make such an argument for abortion. Nevertheless, that is what these moronic women do - and without knowing they're doing it, much less undersatanding why they're doing it - and consequently they're completely vulnerable intellectually when you attack them from that angle.
Your concern comes to late, the Federal Supreme Court wants the United States to follow international law not the Constitution, As you know the new EU Constitution removes G_D and religion from it's freedoms. This is why the courts are ruling despite what our Constitution says.
Courts,Judges and the Police are now above the law, if you look at the authority of the police and courts stated in the Constitution then look at the Doctrines the courts have created you will see the courts have removed protection for us to divert power to the courts is spite of our rights.
Today a judge can,change,.remove,alter,write secret dockets and change any evidence with out your knowledge and if you discover their tricks and appeal, the only grounds for a new hearing is for you to prove the judge was asleep during your hearing, other wise the court records stand. If the judge was asleep and you can not prove it to the apeal court satisfaction, you still loose.
In addition the legal system has set procedures that no one can follow and if you think a lawyer will help you, your wrong. The lawyer makes their living from charging you money not for wining.
The EU Constitution could be finished this year, their intent is to make every nation including the US, become a part of the EU.
The EU has 450 million people, the US 290 m, soon the EU could have 2 billion people and become the wealth power of the world.
If your want to so something write your representatives in State and Federal Government about the legal system abuse of power.
Your concern comes to late, the Federal Supreme Court wants the United States to follow international law not the Constitution, As you know the new EU Constitution removes G_D and religion from it's freedoms. This is why the courts are ruling despite what our Constitution says.
Courts,Judges and the Police are now above the law, if you look at the authority of the police and courts stated in the Constitution then look at the Doctrines the courts have created you will see the courts have removed protection for us to divert power to the courts is spite of our rights.
Today a judge can,change,.remove,alter,write secret dockets and change any evidence with out your knowledge and if you discover their tricks and appeal, the only grounds for a new hearing is for you to prove the judge was asleep during your hearing, other wise the court records stand. If the judge was asleep and you can not prove it to the apeal court satisfaction, you still loose.
In addition the legal system has set procedures that no one can follow and if you think a lawyer will help you, your wrong. The lawyer makes their living from charging you money not for wining.
The EU Constitution could be finished this year, their intent is to make every nation including the US, become a part of the EU.
The EU has 450 million people, the US 290 m, soon the EU could have 2 billion people and become the wealth power of the world.
If your want to so something write your representatives in State and Federal Government about the legal system abuse of power.
Also stating that conservative's believe man is mostly good has also caused me much grief, but none the less true.
A good people will not require a lot of government, but an evil people will require massive government. Don't believe me? Think of the government needed in any small town USA and then think of the government needed in any prison.
If liberals believe man is good, then why do liberals find it necessary to use government to force us governed to do "good". It is because liberals do not think that "we the people" left to our own devices will do the "good" work that must be done. Such as taking care of the sick and the poor and the abandoned. But all those things got done before without big government in our conservative past. Actually it is even worst that that, since Uncle sugar daddy taxes us into the poor house to do the "good" work of the nany state, it leave most of us just barely able to take care of ourselves and denies us the ability to help others in any significant way. It really sucks.
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