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I'm a liberal and I'm here to learn

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv

Hi, gang,

I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.

I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?


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To: rogerv

We're PRO American economy and culture. Here's some homework so you can see the stupidity of liberal thinking on these topics.

World's pollution hotspots revealed from space
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244057/posts

Kyoto Accords suck for American business and therefore for the American economy.. China and India are exempt, contrary to the FACT that they are the planet’s worst polluters

Killing the Class-Warfare Argument: The rich are paying _more_ taxes since the Bush tax cuts.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194768/posts

Class warfare sucks.

Atheists, not Muslims, are anti-Christmas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1296625/posts

Above article dissed by many freepers, but IMO it says a lot you need to consider. Freepers don’t want to have Christmas abolished, it’s part of Western Culture, which we revere.

The Gramsci Factor with links at post #14
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/758715/posts

How to tear down Western Culture. Again, we know Western Culture is worth saving, and so would you if you’d done any traveling to third- and fourth-world countries.

And then there's the UN. Why would any American want to give our power away to third- and fourth-world countries? Why should reps from places like Algeria have any power over us? They haven't figured out how to run their own countries. I've been to the UN and was entirely disgusted with the $3000 Armani-suit and $15,000 Rolex-watch wearing delegates from places like Sudan. In Kartoum, the main streets are literally paved in sh*t,as you may know if you read the great travel book "Baghdad Without a Map." And cretins like this should have any say at all about what we do? I recommend the book to you. Both of my kids have lived and worked in North Africa and the Middle East and know that every word is true.

A liberal just joined my Toastmaster's group. In her first speech, she said that capitalism doesn't take care of those lower on the ladder. How offensive. Most of the members of the group work very hard in private organizations that provide things like clean water to Africa, corneas to the blind overseas and at home, etc etc. Liberal suppositions about capitalists are ill-informed to say the least.




721 posted on 12/10/2004 5:26:37 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: backhoe

Hit it with one more shot...


722 posted on 12/10/2004 5:29:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: mvpel
EEEk! I am a libertarian and didn't know it, lol!

Thanks for sharing that quiz.
723 posted on 12/10/2004 5:29:16 PM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: thinger333

Read post # 721, especially the last paragraph.


724 posted on 12/10/2004 5:29:41 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!

Very well done...Hear, HEAR!!


725 posted on 12/10/2004 5:30:44 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Hit it with one more shot...

No kidding! He's a noisome little buggerer, isn't he?

726 posted on 12/10/2004 5:32:45 PM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: iconoclast
Got plane tickets?

As a matter of fact I do. But I dont think that not being hassled by the morons at TSA is a civil liberty. And yes maybe he is here to learn, but to parrot dem, DU, Kerry, or any other lefty's mantra on a conservative message board will ALWAYS raise doubt about the posters intentions..

727 posted on 12/10/2004 5:34:14 PM PST by cardinal4 (W's 3.5 million pop vote isnt a mandate, but algores .5 million is??)
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To: thinger333
how many times am i going to have to say the same thing over and over?

Please stop saying the same thing over and over and answer my question. You have yet to enlighten me as to why socialism is in our best interest. What you are proposing is socialism. To call it something else does not change its nature. Now, please, give a detailed explanation of why socialism would be good for America.

it's in our best interests to pay for one sick person to see a doctor now, rather than 10 sick people to go to the ER later. preventative medicine saves billions of dollars. lower administrative health care costs saves billions of dollars. health people, who do not constantly need to stay home from work and cost their companies lost revenue, saves billions of dollars.

Just the way you speak. "It's in our best interest is a strong indicator that you are a socialist...that you think that we (the state) are responsible for the people . Conservatives believe that individuals are responsible for themselves.

What are you doing on a conservative site?

728 posted on 12/10/2004 5:34:38 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: backhoe
RATS can eat the poison for hours, especially if they've just had a big glass of...


...right before they stumbled into FR.
729 posted on 12/10/2004 5:36:29 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: Sunsong

...from .. each, according to his ability... to .. each, according to his ignorance, stupidity, lack of responsibility and utter contempt for God...

RAH! RAH! RAH!


730 posted on 12/10/2004 5:38:05 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: ApesForEvolution

731 posted on 12/10/2004 5:40:19 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: rogerv
You no doubt will not be able to reply to each and every posting -we get somewhat more traffic here -and yes, bigger is better when principled...

unprincipled selfish morally relative 'bigness' couched in 'social justice' is but anarchy is but the democrat elites...

732 posted on 12/10/2004 5:40:43 PM PST by DBeers
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To: backhoe

733 posted on 12/10/2004 5:41:25 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: backhoe

734 posted on 12/10/2004 5:42:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: backhoe

I "know" this guy. I first noticed him posting on Dirty Harry's blog on the Ohio threads, then he showed up on Polipundit, now here. He has that distinctive style, both in his foul-mouthed verbiage and his punctuation.

Dude's a mess and on a grand tour, it seems.


735 posted on 12/10/2004 5:42:39 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: backhoe

736 posted on 12/10/2004 5:42:42 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: rogerv

Welcome to civilization.


737 posted on 12/10/2004 5:42:43 PM PST by reg45
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To: backhoe

738 posted on 12/10/2004 5:43:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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739 posted on 12/10/2004 5:43:32 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: backhoe

740 posted on 12/10/2004 5:44:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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