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I'm a liberal and I'm here to learn

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by rogerv

Hi, gang,

I was a regular contributor to the Kerry Online Forum and am now a regular contributor to the Common Ground Common Sense forum. I am a liberal, but I'll be the first to admit, I don't have all the answers. In fact, many of hte questions that matter to me probably matter to you too. I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate. I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously. I'm concerned with the erosion of civil liberties. And yes, I am concerned about some things you may associate with liberalism--social safety nets and taking care of those who fall through the institutional cracks.

I'm here because I think agreement is overrated and that critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless. At any rate, I think there are things I can learn from you. I don't expect you are all agreed on anything--I expect there is a lot of diversity of opinion here. If you are interested in what I have said over at Common Ground Common Sense, I'm using the same handle both places, and you should feel free to come over and look around.

Anyway, I'm new here. Anybody care to give me a tour?


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To: Arrowhead1952
What is the deal with MurryMom???

I don't know.

She seems to get a free pass here for some reason.

She has all the talking points. Trashes Karl Rove, Cheney,
Halliburton, refers to Dubya as "Little Dumbya" and *.

Although, I don't run across her posts very often lately.

But it looks like she hasn't changed, judging from her
most recent posts.


581 posted on 12/10/2004 1:08:42 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: rogerv

Hello, rogerv. Welcome to FR. Since you can spell and are generally familiar with sentence construction, you are already one step ahead of the average 'liberal' that bothers to show up here.

I note that in one of your follow-on posts you mention that you "haven't come here to defend something so much as to ask some questions and compare notes." This is OK, but I encourage you to defend whatever you find defensible with regard to your political ideology. If you are a 'classical' liberal, then you will find resonance here from many. If you are a psuedo-intellectual multiculturalist relativist Michael Moore-bot, you will be killed and eaten like a bug.

You mention 'powerful corporations' as one of your concerns. I wonder if this concern about powerful corporations extends into the media space? Does this concern about 'corporate' power extend to international investers working with political action committees or 527's to influence political parties and national elections?

582 posted on 12/10/2004 1:09:19 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: thinger555
Ok, stop right there...You can not make healthcare a fed issue. It isn't the function of our Federal government. However there isn't anything to stop individual states from having thier own health care...Oh, wait a minute, they do! Medicade and Trigon/bluecross/blueshield.

Anyone can afford health care. There is no excuse for not haveing some form of help. Besides it is law that a hospital cannot turn anyone away seeking medical help!

583 posted on 12/10/2004 1:09:44 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: houeto

Might it may be possible that he really dropped in to listen?


584 posted on 12/10/2004 1:10:54 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: thinger555

I appreciate your opinions. I didn't realize we had more than one Liberal among us. I was directing the question to the rogerv.

Since he's the one that believes our civil liberties are disappearing, I asked him a few questions regarding a few things that I believe are being used against us by the ACLU.


585 posted on 12/10/2004 1:11:56 PM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Valentine's Day ---Begins January 1st - January 21st..www.proudpatriots.com)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Do you realize this thread has had over 10,500 views? What's the record for a vanity? Anyone?
586 posted on 12/10/2004 1:12:25 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Earthdweller
Wow, I don't know that one...
587 posted on 12/10/2004 1:13:55 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: rogerv

Do you think that the judicial branch is overstepping their constitutional powers?


588 posted on 12/10/2004 1:14:06 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: rogerv
critics can be your best friends: they keep you from getting sloppy or careless

This may have been covered already, but, this is exactly why I say you liberals can have your media bias. Conservative ideas stand up better to scrutiny because they are so overly scrutinized in the press. Liberal ideas on the other hand, and the things liberals say, get a free pass and have consequently become increasingly eroneous and bizarre. You guys have done it to yourselves.

589 posted on 12/10/2004 1:16:11 PM PST by getitright (GWB is winning wars, not popularity contests.)
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To: rogerv

Thanks ~ it's a start. :)


590 posted on 12/10/2004 1:17:23 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: jdm

Well said my brother.


591 posted on 12/10/2004 1:17:24 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Seems like she should be posting at DU. That is one sicko of a person. Calling herself a Conservative - yeah right. Not breaking out the bubbly until teddy the whale is announced as being reelected. That had DU written all over it.


592 posted on 12/10/2004 1:17:35 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Lose the embedded reporters in our military.)
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To: thinger555
Let's continue..

It isn't the courts job to legislate laws, it is the courts that must abide by them.

If the Law is in question the courts can rule it unconstitutional before it becomes law.

So, if it is unlawful for same sex partners to marry, then it is up to the people to have legislation on the law to have it amended. It appears that the people of Massachusettes do not want the law to change. That's how our Republic works.

593 posted on 12/10/2004 1:17:50 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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Later read.


594 posted on 12/10/2004 1:18:35 PM PST by Rocket1968 (No more Daschle - No more Daschle)
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To: getitright

It is politically incorrect to question the "intellectual" elite. Why can't you just accept that everyone in newsrooms and at institutions of higher learning are liberal because that is the only answers that a "smart" person could arrive at? < /sarcasm but you will find many idiotorials every year that make just this very claim and not find it bigoted >

They've done all the thinking for you, please drink your kool aid and they'll give you a cookie!


595 posted on 12/10/2004 1:19:47 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Seems like she should be posting at DU. That is one sicko of a person .....

bump! bump! bump!


596 posted on 12/10/2004 1:21:52 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: rogerv
I'm concern with the rule of law and how we can get the powerful to take it seriously.

That's why you supported the impeachment of Clinton!

597 posted on 12/10/2004 1:22:43 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Mudboy Slim

Yeah ~ Karen is a typical Eugene liberal ~ I'm surrounded by them ~ I love taunting them by having No Guns No Rights, Crimnals Love Unarmed Victims, NRA Life Member and Bush/Cheney 2004 bumper stickers still on the back of my white Ford F-150 SVT Lightning pickup.

Life is good! :)


598 posted on 12/10/2004 1:24:16 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: rogerv

"I wish I were young! No, I got a late start. I'm 50, actually."

Well, if not young in age, you are young in life experiences having children that young. You'll be gaining a lot more of those in the coming years especially when you kids get into their teens.


599 posted on 12/10/2004 1:25:39 PM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: rogerv
I'm concerned with questions about how to tame power, whether governmental or corporate.

What is missing from this list?

Unions, trial lawyers, media, Hollywood, ACLU, etc.

BTW I think you're a fraud and I'm embarrassed by those Freepers who don't.

600 posted on 12/10/2004 1:25:52 PM PST by aculeus
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