Posted on 10/28/2004 6:07:00 AM PDT by Pokey78
If the loving heart of the Great Emancipator found its natural amorous passions overwhelmingly directed toward those of his own sex, it would certainly be a stunning rebuke to the Republican Party’s scapegoating of same-sex love for electoral purposes. And a forthcoming book by the late Dr. C.A. Tripp — The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln, to be published in the new year by Free Press — makes a powerful case that Lincoln was a lover of men.
Tripp, who worked closely in the 1940s and 1950s with the groundbreaking sexologist Alfred Kinsey, was a clinical psychologist, university professor and author of the 1975 best-seller The Homosexual Matrix, which helped transcend outdated Freudian clichés and establish that a same-sex affectional and sexual orientation is a normal and natural occurrence.
In his book on Lincoln, Tripp draws on his years with Kinsey, who, he wrote, "confronted the problem of classifying mixed sex patterns by devising his 0-to-6 scale, which allows the ranking of any homosexual component in a person’s life from none to entirely homosexual. By this measure Lincoln qualifies as a classical 5 — predominantly homosexual, but incidentally heterosexual."
Tripp also found, based on multiple historical accounts, that Lincoln attained puberty unusually early, by the age of 9 or 10 — early sexualization being a prime Kinsey indicator for same-sex proclivities. Even Lincoln’s stepmother admitted in a post-assassination interview that young Abe "never took much interest in the girls." And Tripp buttresses his findings that Lincoln was a same-sex lover with important new historical contributions.
(Excerpt) Read more at laweekly.com ...
You forget two common reasons for man on man activity back then: 1. Polygamy (rich men hoggin all the women) and 2. The lack of birth control.
There have also been rumors that Martin Luther King let Gunner Myrdal go down on him.
While I'll be the first to concede that the "Gay Lincoln" theory is built around a lot of speculation and circumstantial evidence, the notion that Lincoln was a believer in "God's law" or even particularly religious is without basis in fact. Lincoln is well known to have invoked biblical imagery in his speeches, but virtually all of his intimate friends and family members stated that he did this consciously because he knew it worked politically. Lincoln's best friend William Herndon, his personal body guard Ward Hill Lamon, and his wife Mary Todd Lincoln all conceded after his death that he was not a Christian "in the normal sense," to quote Mary Todd. Herndon stated that Lincoln's religious beliefs fluctuated between outright atheism and a form of very loose and very liberal non-Christian deism. He was probably closer to the latter position around the time of his death, though we cannot know for sure. Stating much more beyond that is simply without basis in history.
More than that even. Marxist Lincoln idolater Carl Sandburg was one of the first to publicly suggest it when he stated that Lincoln had a "stroke of lavender" or something along those lines, which was codespeak for gay.
Indeed. I came across old Wlat on usenet a few days ago. He posted a thread there calling MICHAEL MOORE a "hero" - his exact words - for Fahrenheit 911!
Another good example is #3Fan - a big time south hater who was given the boot on this forum after he was discovered to be posting antisemitic aryan nation propaganda on several threads. Somebody googled one of his posts and found it was taken word for word off some neonazi website. The south bashers have a pretty darn sorry record on FR when it comes to things like these.
I see that capitan is yet again spewing his unsubstantiated slanders around here. Of course an immeasurably better candidate for the issue mentioned above is currently occupying a stable outside this forum for posting marxist Bush-hating propaganda amidst all his pro-Lincoln diatribes. Funny how the Wlat Brigade project their exiled leader onto everybody else!
Come to think of it, keep an eye out for Wlat's reaction to this book. I wonder if anybody's ever carved an equestrian statue of Lincoln...
That seems to be the more credible of the two charges. The gay Lincoln stuff is admittedly circumstantial, though there's certainly enough circumstance out there that it cannot be conclusively ruled out.
In the 1830's Lincoln used to write unsigned political letters to the Springfield newspaper. His nom de plume was a peculiarly feminine "Aunt Rebecca."
Quoth the Non-Sequitur: "Squack! Tu quoque! Tu quoque!"
Once could probably say that Wlat is "out to pasture" of late. No word yet if Non-Seq still converses with him. Do you, non-seq?
More democrat projecting. I wonder which famous rat is about to be outed? This is just ridiculous, and I am sick to death of this lobby.
Indeed they would. There is no limit to the extremes that Lincoln idolaters will go to in order to justify and defend their hero.
A few months ago I posted conclusive proof that Lincoln used armed guards to illegally detain a federal appeals court justice from attending a case in which he was set to rule against the Lincoln administration on a habeas corpus case. Outraged at the forcible detention, two other judges on the circuit court issued a contempt judgment against the military officers who had harassed and detained their colleague...and along came Lincoln once again, _personally_ intervening and illegally ordering that the contempt notice be seized from the US Attorney before it could be served!
Confronted with this evidence, the Lincoln cultists went into full denial mode. Capitan_refugio even posted a wholly unsubstantiated and gratuitous slur against the justice who had been detained - falsely accusing him of being a confederate agent or sympathizer or something without even so much as a single shred of evidence! They were faced with Lincoln doing the indefensible and, being unable to admit that he did something wrong, they tried to justify and excuse it.
Tripp, Kinsey....need we say more?
He would powder his hair white for formal occasions sometimes, but the custom of wearing wigs in the colonies was out of style by the time G.W. was a young man.
I’ve often wondered about that. I have portraits of George Mason, Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson in my living room – and none are wearing wigs, just long hair like the hippie radicals of the 1960’s and ‘70’s. I look at portraits of the leading British men of the day and they all seem to be wearing wigs.
No. But speaking of 'out to pasture' let us know how bushpilot is getting along.
In your opinion perhaps. Since the Constitution is silent on the subject it depends on ones interpretation.
The hero worshiping Lincoln Cult needs some shaking up.
Just because people defend Lincoln from asinine attacks like the one on this thread and from the innumerable lies promoted by the Lincoln Loathers like yourself does not make it a cult.
Tu crammit.
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