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All-in-all, a worthwhile chapter in Star Trek saga. Definitely better than Insurrection. There are some bits in the beginning that seem so similar to some plotlines in TNG that I was rolling my eyes and thinking "Not Data's disembodied head again!" The little Romulan fighter ships are way cool, as is the new Federation ATV!

Now for the nit-picking: Given the security situation on Romulus, I don't think that it would have been that simple to seize control of the Romulan government. I mean, where's the Tal Shiar?

Worf at his normal post. Didn't he resign his commission in the finale of DS9 to become Federation ambassador to the Klingon Empire?

Riker with a beard again. Didn't Troi made him shave it off before?

Kate Mulgrew's cameo as Admiral Janeway. Did that seem out of place to anyone other than me? A couple of years ago she was quoting Picard as "one of the greats" and now she's calling him Jean-Luc and making jokes about how tough his missions are?

GOOD THING: Wesley Crusher's part was written out of the movie. You see him at the head table at Riker and Troi's engagement party, but that's about it.

Still having a hard time getting my brain around this though: I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY KILLED DATA!!!!

1 posted on 12/13/2002 1:04:02 PM PST by badfreeper
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To: badfreeper
My God! They've killed Kenny Data!
2 posted on 12/13/2002 1:23:04 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: badfreeper
I haven't seen it yet, but when I do I'll be able to talk about it futher. From the trailers, it looks like it's a winner. I hope so. There is one question I have and that is how can starfleet entrust yet another starship to someone that has already wrecked one (however justified)? Those things cost quite a few Quatloos. Live long and prosper.
3 posted on 12/13/2002 1:23:51 PM PST by NCC-1701
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To: badfreeper
Busy this weekend, but we'll see it over Christmas. Priority is to see The Two Towers first...
5 posted on 12/13/2002 1:36:20 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: badfreeper
Janeway an Admiral? She should be beamed into space! At least her dem husband lost his race for a house seat.(in the real world)
8 posted on 12/13/2002 5:48:38 PM PST by Brett66
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To: badfreeper
The short version: Better than Insurrection. Fans will like it, non-fans will likely stay home in droves.

The long version:

Rather a wimpasaurus villain in this one, eh? OK, so he's a French clone with an English accent and a killer case of acid reflux disease, he's got a bad ship, a few pug-ugly henchcritters, and a serious attitude problem from being forced to mine dilithium for 20 years. Big fat hairy deal - if he had a lick of sense in his bald head, he would have simply put it in reverse after being rammed, backed up, then crushed the helpless Enterprise's bridge. Crew dies, you pluck Picard's lifeless body out of the vacuum of space, get the blood you need from the corpse, then proceed to Earth and wipe it out on schedule. No rocket science needed - game over.

And while I'm at it, was I the only one who thought that an "ultimate weapon" that takes 7 minutes to deploy is extremely lame? Must have been tech they stole from the "We are smarrrrrt!" Pakled.

At least Berman didn't have to pay Wil Wheaton (at the head table in the reception scene) outrageous union rates for a speaking part. Allah be praised (although they should have just put a cardboard cutout of Wesley Crusher up there and saved even more money) ...

OK, there was some cool stuff in this movie. The Reman's little Scorpion fighters were just the thing for those nasty traffic jams on the interstate, I'm glad I was sitting down during most of Marina Sirtis' scenes (especially in the white, sheer full-length nightie), and they killed off Data but really didn't in a fairly adept way. The Reman's redshirts are just as lousy shots as any other villain in a Star Trek movie though. And, with 350 years of human progress between the Federation and us, can't they come up with anything better than an ATV (with Bridgestone tires - I recognized the tread pattern) and eyeglasses (EYEGLASSES?) that would have looked at home on Lance Armstrong's brow? And what was this bullcrap about Picard "looking forward" to flying the Argo so much? Its a freaking shuttle with little wings on the side. Yaaaaaaawn. Go fly the Captain's Yacht next time, Jean-Luc - its the only ship we didn't see in the series.

I have a confession to make - I'm such a complete geek about this stuff that I almost screamed the name of the song that Riker couldn't remember Data trying to whistle the first time he met him (it was "Pop Goes the Weasel"). I laughed knowingly at Worf's reaction to being told that he was going to have to get naked at a Betazoid wedding (although he apparently had no trouble getting naked with the bride-to-be in the last Next Generation episode).

But I have to wonder - who did Gates McFadden piss off? The last three movies have featured her smiling wanly and generally just standing around doing nothing. Geez, marry her off and get her off that ship - they've got holographic doctors now anyway.

Anyway, go see the movie if you're a fan. Maybe Patrick Stewart will make enough from this one to get a decent weave.

9 posted on 12/13/2002 9:06:34 PM PST by strela
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To: badfreeper
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY KILLED DATA!!!!

Is Spot okay?

20 posted on 12/15/2002 5:34:50 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: badfreeper
And once again, no Q. I thought I had seen his photo in a article several months ago for Nemesis.

It seemed to me this is going to be the last TNG movie - even though they left an opening by transfering Data's memories into B4. Worf, Riker, and Geordi seemed secondary to me in the movie. But maybe by placing Janeway in the admiral's slot, they will forgo any Voyager movies.

Like many posters above me, it's a good movie if you're a fan.
24 posted on 12/16/2002 9:49:58 AM PST by RabidBartender
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To: badfreeper
2 problems with killing data. The first is he was is my favorite character out of the next generation crew (this is a personal "problem" and doesn't really count). The second problem (and it is a big one) is that in the last episode of next generation "All Good Things" the story started out in the future way past the timeline of THIS movie. In that story, Data is ALIVE and a professor at starfleet academy! How can he be dead now and alive in the future. Keep in mind that B-4's positronic brain is not advanced enough to maintain data's sinapse pattern, and Lore was destroyed beyond repair earlier. How will they possibly explain this one?
26 posted on 12/19/2002 10:02:01 AM PST by Lord Penquin
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