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The Guild 11-14-2002 Abraham Unveils Hydrogen-Car System
Yahoo ^ | 11-12-2002 | By DAVID GOODMAN

Posted on 11/14/2002 4:43:46 AM PST by BigWaveBetty

DEARBORN, Mich. (AP) - Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites) released a "roadmap" Tuesday for putting fuel cells in the nation's cars and trucks, further committing the United States to a hydrogen-based transportation system.


"Creating the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle of the future presents complex technical challenges," he told business leaders at the Global Forum on Personal Transportation in the hometown of Ford Motor Co. "Overcoming them will take an intensive and equally complex effort — but it will be worth it because the stakes really are so high."

The Department of Energy (news - web sites) and the nation's leading car and oil companies began work one year ago on a "National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap," Abraham said.

Abraham was holding a closed-door meeting later Tuesday with the heads of the chief executives of some of the nation's leading businesses, including Ford, General Motors Corp. and Exxon Mobil Corp., as well as the leaders of American, Northwest and Southwest airlines.

Fuel cells use a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity. When pure hydrogen is used, the only tailpipe emission is water vapor.

The technology could have two big benefits: sharply cutting America's dependence on oil imports from an unstable Middle East and reducing the production of greenhouse gases widely blamed for global warming (news - web sites).

But fuel-cell technology is not expected to be widely available until the end of the decade at least.

Critics say the Bush administration and auto industry are using fuel cell research as a way to fend off calls for vehicles that get more miles per gallon.

"The whole business about fuel cell vehicles is just political theater," said analyst David Healy of Burnham Securities.

He said a much better way to reduce oil consumption is through gas-electric vehicles, some of which already are on the road.


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1 posted on 11/14/2002 4:43:46 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; Billie; mountaineer; Timeout; BigWaveBetty; ClancyJ; daisyscarlett; LBGA; ...
Good Morning!
2 posted on 11/14/2002 4:44:11 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
Good Morning. We are having new furnaces installed. They finished the one for the first story and the basement yesterday. Today they return to install the one for the second story. I'm off to prepare for that.

I'll check in later.
3 posted on 11/14/2002 4:54:03 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: BigWaveBetty
Let's talk REAL conservation!
4 posted on 11/14/2002 5:00:05 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
OK, but let me post another story on this, more indept. I thought it was strange that a securities analyst was bad mouthing this idea. Let's take a closer look.

Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham Unveils 'Roadmap' for Putting Fuel Cells in U.S. Cars, Trucks

DEARBORN, Mich. (AP) -- Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham released a "roadmap" Tuesday for putting fuel cells in the nation's cars and trucks, further committing the United States to a hydrogen-based transportation system.

"Creating the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle of the future presents complex technical challenges," he told business leaders at the Global Forum on Personal Transportation in the hometown of Ford Motor Co. "Overcoming them will take an intensive and equally complex effort -- but it will be worth it because the stakes really are so high."

The Department of Energy and the nation's leading car and oil companies began work one year ago on a "National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap," Abraham said.

Abraham was holding a closed-door meeting later Tuesday with the heads of the chief executives of some of the nation's leading businesses, including Ford, General Motors Corp. and Exxon Mobil Corp., as well as the leaders of American, Northwest and Southwest airlines.

Fuel cells use a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity. When pure hydrogen is used, the only tailpipe emission is water vapor.

The technology could have two big benefits: sharply cutting America's dependence on oil imports from an unstable Middle East and reducing the production of greenhouse gases widely blamed for global warming.

But fuel-cell technology is not expected to be widely available until the end of the decade at least.

Critics say the Bush administration and auto industry are using fuel cell research as a way to fend off calls for vehicles that get more miles per gallon.

"The whole business about fuel cell vehicles is just political theater," said analyst David Healy of Burnham Securities.

He said a much better way to reduce oil consumption is through gas-electric vehicles, some of which already are on the road.

"They're light years away from a commercial (fuel cell) vehicle," Healy said.

Abraham acknowledged that many hurdles remain.

One of the biggest challenges is finding a safe way to store hydrogen fuel in vehicles. Others are developing a hydrogen delivery network like the one that distributes gasoline to stations nationwide, and finding economical ways to produce hydrogen.

The initiative also is looking at other uses for hydrogen.

"The roadmap outlines the research, development, demonstration, codes and standards, and education efforts necessary to lead the nation to a clean and sustainable energy future," the Energy Department said.

Abraham said it is vital for America to abandon its reliance on oil and other fossil fuels.

"Whether it is fusion, a hydrogen economy, or ideas that we have not yet explored, I believe we need to leapfrog the status quo and prepare for a future that under any scenario requires a revolution in how we produce, deliver and use energy," he said.

In January, the Bush administration abandoned a Clinton-era effort to produce highly fuel-efficient gasoline-powered vehicles. In its place, the administration announced a joint effort with automakers to promote hydrogen fuel cell powered cars and trucks.

In May, General Motors displayed a pickup truck that it said was the world's first drivable fuel cell vehicle that extracts hydrogen from gasoline to produce electricity. Link

Department of Energy hydrogen power site

"They're light years away from a commercial (fuel cell) vehicle," Healy said

Really? Light years? Even little ole not the sharpest pencil in the box me, knows that statement is a bit over the top. Why is Mr. Healy so against the fuel cell idea?

Could someone out there fill me in?

5 posted on 11/14/2002 5:17:11 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
I'll contemplate that hydrogen car issue in a moment, but I'm still reeling from that photo posted of Michael Jackson on the last thread. Why does he have fake whiskers? That is just downright creepy. And in other news:

WHITE House press secretary Ari Fleischer, 41, and his new bride, Office of Management and Budget staffer Rebecca Davis, 26, are one cost-conscious couple. Before their wedding last Saturday in Washington, they registered at cheapo chain Target, where they requested such frugal items as a "Forrest Gump" DVD and the board game Scattergories, reports the Jewish Forward. Peter Sagal, host of the National Public Radio quiz show "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me," logged onto the Target Web site and bought the happy couple a $9.99 bundt cake pan.

"Any time a bald Jewish guy - and I'm one myself - manages to get a nice girl, it's cause for celebration," Flesicher quipped. Page Six

And this on our favorite warbling nitwit:

BARBRA Streisand finally got a proofreader. The latest rant on her Web site seems to be flawless, at least in spelling and grammar. "It is a sad time," Streisand writes. "The Democratic Party was not able to articulate a clear message." Babs feels it's because they weren't strident enough demanding tax hikes and appeasing Iraq. "Instead of standing up to the Republicans and indicating their differences, the Democrats went along with the president on tax cuts and Iraq - and were voted out anyway. The American people want leaders - they want people who convey a strong message and stand for something."

6 posted on 11/14/2002 5:28:32 AM PST by mountaineer
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No mention of whether a gerbil served as best man:

ATTENTION ladies between 16 and 60. You blew it. You're out of luck. Richard Gere is now officially lost to us. Off the market. The Silver Fox has taken unto himself a permanent pretty woman. Take heart. Calm yourselves.

Richard Gere and his longtime adored Carey Lowell did it. I mean they actually Did It long back because they have their adorable son Homer together. But I mean they did it legit. Legal. Marriage license and everything.

Once upon a time James Bond girl Carey and forever gorgeous Richard have been together for years. Maybe it's all the p.r. grinding out about the newest James Bond film, who knows, but they decided to finally wed last week.

The plighting of their troth was at their weekend home upstate in Pound Ridge. They did their I Do's in the open air. On the grounds. There wasn't a lot of fanfare. In fact, there wasn't a lot of anything, including guests. The ceremony was super private. No outsiders. No press, no photographers, no party planners, for sure no columnists, not even relatives on either side.

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/cindy.htm

7 posted on 11/14/2002 5:32:56 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
So what's Harold Ford Jr. up to?

The conventional wisdom says the 32-year-old Tennessee congressman won't win today's election for House minority leader against 62-year-old Democratic Whip Nancy Pelosi. Some of the liberal Californian's loyalists, who claim she closed the deal days ago with a majority of the caucus, have been grumbling that Ford is in it for the exposure (which he can bank for a future political campaign). [Gee, ya think?]

After all, Ford announced his sudden candidacy last week on Don Imus's radio and MSNBC show and has presented his People magazine-certified "50 Most Beautiful People" mug on a dozen television shows since. WashPost

8 posted on 11/14/2002 5:36:51 AM PST by mountaineer
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More on the congressional queen of cosmetic surgery:

Washington -- Poised to take over today as House Democratic leader, San Francisco Rep. Nancy Pelosi said she has no intention of tugging her party to the left or imposing her liberal outlook on the rest of the country.

Instead, as House Democrats prepare to enter their ninth year in the minority, Pelosi said she will push the party to develop an economic growth plan to distinguish itself from the Republicans and will draw up a political road map to win back the majority as early as 2004.

"It's not a matter of where you are on the spectrum. . . . It's an issue of how you lead the troops," Pelosi said in an interview on the eve of her all- but-certain election to the House Democrats' No. 1 post.

Blah blah blah. Full story at sfgate.com

9 posted on 11/14/2002 5:41:04 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: anniegetyourgun
Good post over there AGYG! Thanks for the link.
10 posted on 11/14/2002 5:41:58 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: mountaineer
she has no intention of tugging her party to the left or imposing her liberal outlook on the rest of the country.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. She's much too much liberal and full of herself. Expect the house and senate pubbie numbers to triple after her first two years.

11 posted on 11/14/2002 5:48:14 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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Ha ha:

Michael Jackson at the courthouse in Santa Maria, wearing a surgical mask - as he often does - to protect his throat from pollution and germs
12 posted on 11/14/2002 5:57:13 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
has presented his People magazine-certified "50 Most Beautiful People" mug on a dozen television shows since.

Say what?! Are they running out of beautiful people at People?!

Not only is the man boring, his face is boring, his ideas are boring and he has the personality of dust.

13 posted on 11/14/2002 5:59:18 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: mountaineer
I wonder how old their son is. That might have something to do with their finally making thing legit. Nothing worse than your first grade friends asking why your mommy and daddy have different last names. Divorce is one thing, but to have to say, mom and dad are't married isn't cool.

Funny how all these old hippies are finally coming around to the dreaded establishment.

14 posted on 11/14/2002 6:05:05 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: mountaineer
Before their wedding last Saturday in Washington, they registered at cheapo chain Target,

How refreshing. Just love Ari! Good luck to them. I'd say maziltahf, but I don't know how to spell it.

In Michael Jackson, I think we've found the missing link. Link to what I'm not sure.

15 posted on 11/14/2002 6:11:42 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
I think it's mazel tov. I like Ari, he seems to have a great, dry sense of humor.

As for Harold Ford, I agree that he offers nothing new, but the media have adopted him as the great black hope, so even if Pelosi wins the minority leader position, it's going to be all Harold, all the time from the press.

16 posted on 11/14/2002 6:21:18 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer; BigWaveBetty; *The GUILD
GailA from Tennessee weighs in on young Ford:

I have a rant this morning. I am SICK and TIRED of hearing that harold ford, jr would make a GOOD GOP canidate. BULL HOCKEY!

SCAM, FLIM FLAM, CON JOB ALERT! JUNIOR IS A SOCIALIST, ANTI-GUN, PRO-ABORTION LEFT WINGER! FROM A LARGE FAMILY OF VERY CORRUPT POLITICIANS! He is a klintoon/algorebatross BUTT KISSER DELUXE! There are about 4-6 points different according to the ACU on his voting record and pelosi's. He voted only 38% of the time for W's agenda...and 85-93% with klintoon's agenda. Gore plays fixer to 'crooked' uncle How vice president used police to 'take care' of friends, family WND

Memphis Flyer..ultra liberal rag

THIS IS ON HIS DADDY, WHO REALLY IS RUNNING THE SHOW

In some ways, it lacked the focused drama of the two previous such years -- 1993, which, among other things, saw the pivotal trial and acquittal of former congressman Harold Ford Sr. on bank-fraud charges; and 1997

Uncle State Sen john ford is a wreckless driver who will kill some one some day yet the law won't deal with it. He has several out of wedlock kids. His drunken ex-wife has cat fights with his several mistresses which get violent and destructive. john has his sticky fingers up to his neck in the Day Care cookie jar. He's fired a gun...er smoking cell phone at truckers, pulled a long gun on 5 Memphis Light Gas & Water workers. Another uncle who recently died had his in to the tune of $10M the State tried to get back..no luck there. daddy dearest was part of bank fraud..got of because of who and what he is a black politician. Two more uncles sit on the Memphis & Shelby County Commission & Mempis City Council. Both are CROOKED. The Fruit does not fall far from the Tree..in this case daddy dearest..harold ford SR. Who as I said RUNS JUNIOR's life and votes!

They bus in 10 year olds, the dead, dying, sick, mentally infirm, mentally retarded, winos, drugees, prisoners, etc every election day to ensure they stay in power.

WE DO NOT NEED THIS SCION WHO INHERITED HIS SEAT FROM DADDY TO BE IN THE GOP!

I've lived in the Memphis area nearly 18 years! I know ALL about the CROOKED FORD MACHINE! .


22 posted on 11/14/2002 6:29 AM CST by GailA

17 posted on 11/14/2002 6:30:32 AM PST by lodwick
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To: mountaineer
I think that Jackson wears a surgical mask to keep his nose from falling off.
18 posted on 11/14/2002 6:32:27 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; *The GUILD
re: whacko jacko

Our man on the road, Mike Evans, reported this am that wj was appearing in court to answer a $21mil lawsuit for breach of contract - the judge evidently was satisfied that the air quality in the courtroom was good to go and ordered wj to remove the stupid mask - that's when his hideousness was revealed for everyone's amazement.
19 posted on 11/14/2002 6:59:41 AM PST by lodwick
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To: lodwick
This is just so very wrong.


20 posted on 11/14/2002 7:43:37 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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