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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???

Posted on 09/26/2002 12:34:48 AM PDT by stlnative

NEW THREAD - PING WHOM EVER YOU LIKE - I DON'T PING ANYMORE - SORRY


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KEYWORDS: elizabethsmart
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To: varina davis
I have the addresses & phone numbers of our yard man and our handyman. I asked them for their addresses when I asked them for their phone numbers, just in case I ever needed the info.
521 posted on 09/29/2002 2:02:05 PM PDT by cookiedough
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To: Neenah
And...It should have been the first thing out of Ed's mouth to 911

The transcripts of the 911 call have never been published so I'm assuming that this is speculation on your part. I think that Ed probably did tell them what MK had reported. I base this on the fact that it only took 12 minutes for the first officer to arrive. This is an indication that either there was nothing going on for the police that night or that it had a priority given to it. I believe that the first officers on the scene were not entirely convinced that MK hadn't had a bad dream or was possibly covering for her sister. Many people here still think this is a possibility. As for me it has been far too long with no sign of Elizabeth to believe anything other than she was abducted.

522 posted on 09/29/2002 2:34:13 PM PDT by sandude
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To: All
Possible location of Ricci's apartment house
523 posted on 09/29/2002 2:58:09 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
Capitol Hill is about 1 mile NW, of Federal Heights
524 posted on 09/29/2002 3:02:54 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: sandude
The transcripts of the 911 call have never been published so I'm assuming that this is speculation on your part

Sure, it is speculation totally. But it is said,... because in the article the Police Chief comes right out and says that they didn't know what kind of case they had. That does not make sense, sandude.

If Ed had told them it was an abduction at gunpoint, they would know what they were dealing with, would have come with back up, and swat teams. We are dealing with a huge house surrounded by trees. That was not the case. I don't think the police were initially told about any gun.

I base this on the fact that it only took 12 minutes for the first officer to arrive. This is an indication that either there was nothing going on for the police that night or that it had a priority given to it.

The police in my town could be here in that amount of time and I live in the country. It is logical to say that IF Ed told them his daughter was taken at gunpoint and they could not find her, that they would be there in 12 min. along with a swat team.

If Ed first heard from Mary K. at 3:58, had time to jog all over the neighborhood knocking on doors warning neighbors of an abduction at gun point and to check their kids, plus call almost everyone in their ward.....whew!.. then at 4:01 or whatever the time was, give or take a minute..call 911....then the PD had time to get the full crew out. There was an alert out because of it. Don't make sense.

525 posted on 09/29/2002 3:22:49 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: sandude
As for me it has been far too long with no sign of Elizabeth to believe anything other than she was abducted.

Well, sandude, don't give up hope. This amount of time means nothing. My 14 yr. old daughter was missing for 6 months, and she was found alive. Never give up hope. This is a huge country. The possibilites don't always center around your home town, believe me. I know.

526 posted on 09/29/2002 3:31:08 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: freedox
Well, who are we going to believe here? Chief Dinse is standing by the original reports of the responding officers. Why is Ms. Adams the ONLY neighbor who has come forward to contradict these police reports?

Timing is everything. Is it even a tiny bit concievable to you that both might be right. When Ms. Adams arrived there was only one police car. That is a fact. When the detectives arrived - much later - there were lots of neighbors in the house.

Why is it that everyone is lying or conspiring? Do you really have that much of a cynical, jaundiced view of the Smarts and LE? It would seem that the all-purpose critics on these threads are the least likely to grasp the complexities of this case.

527 posted on 09/29/2002 3:33:22 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Neenah
"My 14 yr. old daughter was missing for 6 months, and she was found alive."

Thanks for sharing that again, Neenah.....I know that must have been incredibly painful for you. As I recall from your previous accounts, this happened to you some years ago. Since then, the world has become a much bigger place, it seems. There are indeed many places for a runaway teen to hide in this country.....and time may not pass as slowly for them as it does for those who are waiting for some word......

528 posted on 09/29/2002 3:39:04 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Neenah
Hi Neenah,
That must have been the worst 6 months of your life. Every parent's nightmare.

The new information in the article that Bella posted is very intriguing. You and Freedox have really added some fascinating insights.

I haven't had time to analyze the info and appreciate the work you did.


529 posted on 09/29/2002 3:41:19 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Neenah
What is it? Ed is running around the neighborhood , telling people to check their kids...and THE CHIEF OF POLICE is saying they were trying to determine what kind of case they had????

Do tell, what is wrong with either statement? Why are you saying they are connected when obviously one has nothing to do with the other. LE didn't know if this was a runaway INITIALLY, an abduction, a burglary, whatever. Their job is to find out EXACTLY what happened - not take someone's word for it. LE doesn't automatically assume that Ed Smart or anyone else is telling the truth. There is nothing inconsistent in either statement.

530 posted on 09/29/2002 3:43:45 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
"Chief Dinse is standing by the original reports of the responding officers."

I think the words "responding officers" speak for themselves. If Chief Dinse were talking about detectives who arrived on the scene much later, I think he would have made that clear.

531 posted on 09/29/2002 3:52:30 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Neenah
What MILLIONARE has these people working for him, much less as some say..

Aren't we now getting down to the real crux of the issue, Neenah i.e. the Smarts are wealthy, at least in your eyes, and you're not?

532 posted on 09/29/2002 4:05:44 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Bella; Sherlock; MadisonA; GovernmentShrinker; sandude; Devil_Anse; cookiedough; landerwy
Most of the responses to the article you posted certainly give meaning to the phrase "nattering nabob of nincompoops".
533 posted on 09/29/2002 4:08:49 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Palladin
Things are starting to add up now.

You mean like your drivel about "dated" DNA and a "pre-emptive strike". Gee, I would have thought that Ed's DNA from a week before would have produced the same "dating" as a week later - ESPECIALLY since DNA can't be dated.

Did you even think about this before you hit the "Post" button, because your post is incredibly ignorant of reality.

534 posted on 09/29/2002 4:13:48 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
Well, why don't you post a succinct response?
535 posted on 09/29/2002 4:16:52 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: freedox
Since when does "just a potential theft" justify failing to inform a citizen that he has an ex-con working in his home? Ricci's criminal history is a matter of public record. There would have been no reason in the world for this information to have been kept secret from Ed. I have to wonder if the investigating officers have ADMITTED that they failed to inform Ed of Ricci's history, or if this is just Ed's story.

Assuming again??? You are assuming that the theft occurred, the police were notified and the workers were fired, when in reality the last too happened in the reverse order. In other words, after the burglary, the three workers were no longer working in the home - as we have previously been told - totally blowing your theory out of the water.

536 posted on 09/29/2002 4:24:06 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: freedox; Neenah; Palladin; All
FOUND SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING! A Utah based U.N. global humanitarian agency with Charles Smart listed as as donor of up to $500 in 2000 - 2001. And check out these names on the board: Policy Governance Board Members: Roy Jespersen, Chair; Rainer Dahl; Linda Smith; Niels Valentiner; James Mayfield; Mark Zobrist; Susan Dixon; David Peterson

Leadership Council: Niels Valentiner; Lew Swain; Roy Jespersen; Louis Pope; Reed Fogg; Bruce McMullin; Linda Smith; Mark Bailey; Suann Adams

Guess it's pretty well known who Suann Adams is, a close friend of the Smarts (so it is reported), and Susan Dixon is the name of the former LDS bishop. Could of course, be a different Susan Dixon, but a very interesting coincidence.

537 posted on 09/29/2002 4:47:47 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Susan Dixon is the name of the former LDS bishop.

Should read: Susan Dixon is the name of the former LDS bishop's WIFE.

538 posted on 09/29/2002 4:49:21 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Probably all coincidence, but here is the link. http://www.choicehumanitarian.org/about/org_structure/
539 posted on 09/29/2002 4:51:39 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Also found these names on the website, Les & Sooz Dixon, so maybe this is the "Susan" Dixon?
540 posted on 09/29/2002 4:54:10 PM PDT by varina davis
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