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1 posted on 09/16/2002 11:10:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Thanks, Utah Girl.
2 posted on 09/16/2002 11:13:47 PM PDT by varina davis
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New Elizabeth Smart thread.
3 posted on 09/16/2002 11:20:21 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Thanks! I kept losing my place on the other one. I checked the AOL board tonight, I don't post there but I generally skim through the posts to see what is being said. They had pretty much turned to infighting the last few days and the monitor stopped it until there is a new development. There were quite a few regulars there like here.

It did get lively here after scaredkat and Devil_Anse started posting didn't it! I guess scaredkat moved on though. She had some pretty wild stuff.

5 posted on 09/16/2002 11:23:02 PM PDT by TXLady
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To: Utah Girl
Thanks for starting a new one. I'm off to bed for now.
6 posted on 09/16/2002 11:30:47 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Utah Girl
Thanks Utah Girl.

I pray that eventually the mystery surrounding Elizabeths' disappearance brings peace and closure for her family.
12 posted on 09/16/2002 11:51:00 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: Utah Girl
The following was found on alt.christnet. (WARNING: Very long). I would appreciate your commentary, refutation, and thoughts. I know you are a well-informed Mormon. It seems pretty far-out to me, and reeks of propaganda much like the kind found on these sites regarding my own religion.

Mormon Mystery

Returning to the sad case of Elizabeth Smart, many commentators have> noted that there are some strange elements in the case that do not add> up. The story of the girl's little sister changed mysteriously (first> we were told the kidnapper threatened her and then later this was> reported to be false).

Then there is the fact that in a very wealthy household it is odd that> there was no security system, and/or that it was not armed. Most $1.7> million homes have security systems nowadays. There also seems to be> an odd note in the relationship between the father and the uncle.

As of this writing, the child has not been found. Now most experts> are quietly saying she may never be found - at least alive. The> family are prominent Mormons within their community, which places> another light on things.

Beneath the surface and the attention on the handyman, Ricci, are> disturbing currents. There are allegations of involvement of> Elizabeth's dad and uncle in some sort of homosexual ring.> Supposedly, lots of "gay porn" was found on both men's computers.> These allegations come from a dubious source, the NATIONAL ENQUIRER,> but so far have not been effectively refuted.

Of course, homosexuality is a HUGE sin within Mormonism. If the> tabloid was printing lies, you would think there would be lawsuits.> It is not clear how this would relate to Elizabeth's disappearance.> If her dad and uncle were closet homosexuals, that would not be a> likely reason for them to abduct her, a girl - unless, of course, she> had found out about it somehow.

But even that seems a bit farfetched. With the admitted value Mormons> place on family and human life, it is hard to imagine a father or> uncle killing a young girl just because she found out they were> bisexuals. temple Mormons. I have not been able to determine this for certain,> but it is likely. There is a sinister side to the LDS temple> "culture" which is little understood and discussed even less.

An Elect Lady?

Mormon temple rites are the most sacred (and secret) elements within> the LDS faith. This is partly because they are quite bizarre and> heavily influenced by Masonry and occult doctrines.[2] This is so> much the case that many LDS people are so startled by the rituals to> the point of not returning - ever.

Having said that, contrary to 19th century sensational reports, in the> normal temple ceremony, there is nothing improper going on (other than> occult foolishness). However, especially in the Salt Lake temple,> there have been numerous, credible allegations of very strange rituals> going on in the temple either after hours or in the deep bowels of the> subbasements of the temple.[3]

I have personally interviewed two people, a woman and an adolescent> boy who allege that they were taken into the temple subbasements,> which run several levels deep. Here they report being forced to> participate in rituals which are more overtly luciferian in> character. These rites, remarkably similar in the way they were> described, include sexual magic, blood sacrifice, and homosexuality.

Neither interviewee alleged that there was anyone murdered, just that> blood was spilt ritually and sprinkled on the participants.> Supposedly, very high Mormons (apostles, etc.) were present and in> their temple robes.

A different piece of the puzzle comes from our own experience. Sharon> and I were "sealed"[4] in the Salt Lake temple ourselves in 1981.> Because of certain tokens and keywords we had been instructed to give> at the temple by our occult teachers, we were granted an audience with> one of the twelve apostles of the church.[5]

In that interview, my wife recounted a vision she had seen of a rite> in the temple. In it, a young girl (about the age of the Smart girl)> was stretched out on what looked like the lushly upholstered altar of> a temple sealing room. She was barely clothed (wearing just a> diaphanous white gown) and people in priesthood robes were standing> around her raising their arms in the "PAY-LAY-ALE" gesture[6] which> then was part of the temple rites.

The critical element here, other than the highly charged sexual nature> of the ritual, was that instead of proclaiming Pay-Lay-Ale, these> temple workers were chanting, "Lucifer, hear us!" My wife related> this vision which she had seen and then asked the apostle what it> meant.

He replied in the most serious tone that this vision was true and that> Lucifer was worshipped in the innermost circles of the temple.> Smiling, he told my wife that this was evidence that she was obviously> an "elect lady."

Both of us were then told by him that if we moved out to Utah, Sharon> might be eligible to serve in a "special" capacity in temple service.> But this would only happen if we were true and faithful to our> covenants, he said, and if we kept this secret and never, discussed it> with anyone except a general authority of the church.[7]

Of course, God had other plans, and we were not economically able to> move out there right away. Less than three years later, I got saved> and we began to work our way out of the LDS church.

The point of this account? Well, from this and other reports and> experiences too numerous to recount, it appears that - like in any> secret society - there are layers of knowledge in Mormonism. Some LDS> are "in the know," especially in Utah. These LDS, often from old> pioneer families, have access to more occult knowledge and power than> 98% of the rest of the church. They know secrets of Druidism and> other ancient Crafts.

Women from these families, and their teenaged kids, are used in the> temple in some way very similar to the sexual magick practiced in high> Masonry and Illuminism. I am not saying that these young people are> necessarily being sexually abused, except in a broad sense. But they> are being used as channels of occult power!

Another Fanny Alger?

In the light of this, it is possible that Elizabeth Smart has vanished> into the bowels of the temple. She is an example of the ideal Mormon> "master race" (blonde, blue-eyed, talented). She might have been> tapped for this "great honor," almost like a Catholic girl a century> ago being sent to the convent.

Add to this the allegations of homosexuality on the part of her dad> and uncle, it is possible that they are in on the ruse. Being gay is> very wrong in Mormonism, unless you are doing it in the temple in a> magick rite!

If this is true, and there is - of course - no solid evidence that it> is true, then Elizabeth would be just the latest girl to be> "sacrificed" on the altar of Mormonism. Joseph Smith, Jr., the> founder of the LDS church, took a girl about the same age as the Smart> child as his first plural wife. Her name was Fanny Alger. Another> one of his wives as the exact age as the Smart girl, 14! Her name was> Helen M. Kimball.[8]

Though it is well-concealed, the LDS faith is a highly sexualized> religion. It is founded on principles of an "eternal increase of> seed." It is similar to an ancient fertility cult.

If this is true, where is Elizabeth Smart? It is hard to imagine, in> this day and age, that it was the original intention to have girls> disappear forever into temple service. Such "vanishings" in the> clannish world of Mormonism would be noticed.

The norm, as we understand it, would be for her to go to the temple> for "worship" occasionally and then return to her family. However, it> is possible that she was terrified and demoralized by finding out what> was expected of her in the temple and "lost it." LDS kids are raised> to be highly moral, and the cognitive dissonance between her> upbringing and the secret rites of the temple might have been too much> for her.

She may have had to be restrained or (God forbid) even killed to keep> the secrets of worship within the temple. Possibly she was even> accidentally hurt or killed trying to get away. The LDS leadership> guards its secrets very jealously.

And her parents? Well, if they are good Mormons, especially temple> LDS, then they have sworn dire oaths to keep the secrets of the temple> and not to speak anything which would cause reproach to the church.> They also swore to the Law of Consecration, which means that> everything that is theirs belongs to the Church. This certainly could> be interpreted to include their daughter.

Our prayer is that Elizabeth is still alive and that in fact we are> wrong about all this. However, there is circumstantial evidence that> the Church (which has powerful influence over the police in Utah as> well) may well have her. In any event, she is a tragic casualty of> our nation's slide into un-Biblical chaos. Our children may well be> paying the price for our neglect of God and His Word. More than ever,> we need to pray for our children and our nation!

Endnotes:
1. O'Reilly Factor (TV program), FOX News channel, 7/16/02.
2. See MORMONISM'S TEMPLE OF DOOM by Bill Schnoebelen and Jim Spencer> (1987) for a full discussion of this, amply documented.
3. For a fuller discussion of this, see the video GODMAKERS II.
4. Sealing here means a special LDS wedding rite in which a couple> are sealed for "time and eternity," a marriage held to be forever and> to give "eternal increase of seed."

5. In the church, apostles are at the top of the hierarchy. There> are 12 apostles, plus two counselors and the Prophet (each also> apostles). For the record, we met with Elder James Faust.
6. PAY-LAY-ALE was in the temple rites for over a century.> Supposedly, in the ancient Adamic language, it means "O God, hear the> words of my mouth." The gesture with it is almost identical to the> Grand Masonic Hailing Sign of Distress, Several Christian scholars> demonstrated that the words could be translated in fractured Hebrew as> "Marvelous Lucifer" or "Marvelous [false] god." This is one of> several elements in the temple rite which were mysteriously removed in> 1991 after the publication of our TEMPLE OF DOOM book in 1987 and> Chuck Sackett's outstanding work, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE? earlier.
7. A decade after this interview, a news story exploded about> widespread Satanic abuse in the LDS church in the Salt Lake region. A> report, issued by Bishop Pace, a presiding bishop of the whole church,> indicated that there appeared to be more than 800 cases of children> being abused in church settings, by high level church officials and> even members of the celebrated Tabernacle Choir. Since then, the> story has been allowed to quietly die.
8. Todd Compton, IN SACRED LONELINESS, Signature Books, 1998, p.> 487.
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My Note: This was posted by someone who calls himself TomServo. I think I have seen posts by him here at FreeRepublic.

22 posted on 09/17/2002 1:28:43 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Utah Girl
except for sympathy and sadness ,this thread is an excersize in futility ......with all due respect for there families you all need to get a life and a new thread topic !
73 posted on 09/17/2002 9:02:22 PM PDT by gdc61
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self-ping
132 posted on 09/18/2002 7:12:55 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Utah Girl
I'm late! Any good news??

352 posted on 09/19/2002 10:25:56 PM PDT by trussell
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