Posted on 09/09/2002 8:52:09 PM PDT by stlnative
New thread...
What prejudice? Believe me, Sandude, you are free to ask me any questions you want about my beliefs at any time. They are all founded on the bible. If I condemn beliefs that are falsely advertised as 'Christian', that is not prejudice, that is defending the faith.
If I feel the need I'll ask you in a private message.
Pretty strong assumption for a "hunch." No, not to my knowledge.
But what this individual did, instead of stopping for directions, he actually made great effort to conceal himself at the entrance/exit portion of our parking lot. There's a grass berm there, there's some pine trees. And he nestled himself in there. He actually maneuvered his vehicle numerous times, turned his lights on and off several times and actually stayed there for several minutes.
KING: So that was peculiar to you. And did you tape that?
TRUJILLO: Absolutely, because Shriners Hospital is a private hospital, and, of course, my paramount concern is always going to be our patients in the hospital. The individual that was on private property -- usually, again, people will come in, they'll ask directions or they'll leave right away. This individual hung out there for quite some time. So what I chose to do was disrupt my security rounds. I went inside. I got him on our surveillance camera and actually tried to zoom in to see what the individual was up to, to try to get a license plate, to try to get a better description of the vehicle and the individual. Now, when he first drove...
KING: As a -- I'm sorry, go ahead.
TRUJILLO: When he first drove past me, he was approximately 16 or 17 yards away from me, so I actually saw a profile of the individual before he actually went out to the entrance way and stopped and began to maneuver his vehicle and turn on and off his lights. At that time, I went inside to the security desk. I got on the video camera and actually zoomed in on him and watched him for numerous minutes. I think, all told, he was on our property for about 15 or 20 minutes.
KING: Did the driver of the light car look like Mr. Ricci, who is not a suspect in this matter, but has been held?
TRUJILLO: You know, Larry, I worked with Rick Ricci when I was a correctional officer out of Utah state prison. And I recognized Rick Ricci very readily from photographs and things like that. One of the things that was different about this individual that I saw in the vehicle that morning of the abduction was he had very thick hair and he appeared to be clean shaven. Now, of course, 17 yards is not a great distance, but it's far enough to where that if he -- I understand that Rick Ricci probably still has a very bushy mustache. This individual did not have that. And he had very thick hair.
KING: You didn't say to yourself that looks like Rick Ricci, who I knew for...
TRUJILLO: Absolutely. Absolutely not.
KING: As soon as you heard about the Smart kidnapping, you said, this could be involved, right?
TRUJILLO: Well, Larry, what we have said from the very beginning, and personally, I'm very happy that the tape, when we finally got to view that with the FBI, is very consistent with what I've reported the entire time. What we've said all along is that there are several coincidences.
Initially, the vehicle, the make or at least the color and the four-door sedan, that fit. The individual was Caucasian, he had thick, dark hair. He was wearing either a cream or an off-white colored jacket or shirt. Of course, we're in close proximity to the Smart home and, of course, the timeframe is very close. So, we feel like there are some coincidences there.
KING: Did it look to you like they were plotting something?
TRUJILLO: If you were to view the tape, you would see that they were definitely trying to signal each other. They were trying to hook up. It's obviously very abnormal behavior, suspicious behavior. It's certainly two vehicles that are trying to interact and finally do hook up, and then take off very rapidly. And then, again, they head back towards Federal Heights area. So, it's quite suspicious. It's not something that would occur every day at our hospital, or anywhere else for that matter.
KING: Would you say, Fred, that once you heard about the kidnapping, you said, this might be connected?
TRUJILLO: Absolutely. You know, with my background in law enforcement, again, you know, you -- sometimes you just get lucky, and I happened to capture it on tape. It may have nothing to do with the Smart abduction. But then again it might.
KING: The FBI, have they done things like blow this video up? Have you have talked with them while they've looked at it?
TRUJILLO: I have. I've interacted with special agent Kevin Eaton (ph) quite a bit, with Agent Ing Tao (ph) quite a bit. And they have actually sent the surveillance tape back to Quantico, Virginia, to get it enhanced. And that will be forthcoming later this week. As a matter of fact, I spoke with Agent Eaton (ph) this morning. He told me that there were some things that were enhanced, that were blown up, and still photography, digitized and blown up so that they could see them better.
GRACE: Well, Mark, there's more than that, actually. You know, you have got these other two handymen in the mix now, three guys altogether. Rex Young, John Remington, Ricci. They all three worked together just two blocks from the Smart home, OK. They've all got violent felony histories. That's quite a coincidence. So, they're not going to only be comparing this car to Ricci's Jeep, but to the cars belonging to the other two guys as well.
Comment - I guess no one told Nancy Grace Remington's lawyer says he was in jail that night.
GERAGOS: But the reason they're going to compare it to Ricci's Jeep at least initially is because they've apparently got one witness, a mechanic, who is out there saying that there are seat covers being pulled off, that there's post diggers coming out and that it's covered with mud.
So the first thing they're going to do is focus on that car that you've got a picture of right now, see if they can determine -- if you see those wheel wells, there's a slight angle. They're going to see if on a side view, they can determine whether or not there's an angle. There's also a sharper angle on the top of that Jeep which they'll be able to measure at least from the pictures as well.
We were losing daylight, and decided to come back down the mountain...about 30 minutes after returning home, the news broke on TV that the police are chasing a suspect in Emigration Canyon who resembles the description of the abductor...they have infra red lights and a helicopter, one media van and every available deputy and K9 are heading up...we think it is the special operations unit, as they are all in fatigues...
Shortly afterward, I was sent this:
Channel 4 just reported the SLC police have a man cornered in the foothills west of SLC, helicopters spotted him, and he was running. Dogs are in pursuit. It is believed to perhaps be the man who took Elizabeth Smart
Comment - Where have we seen this MO before. See Post 167, a man in a ski mask entered the bank holding a black handgun . Hummm, a man in a mask with a black hand gun, huh?
Is it possible to get Devil_Anse in here while you're on, Sherlock?
Huh? lakey, do you still think the Riccis told everthing they knew?
What we have here, at least from the way it looks now, is an inept law enforcement agency. There was a bank robbery back in November, 2001, and they don't get around to charging these three men until 8 months later!
For a Salt Lake County robbery committed during the home visit, Remington, then 28, was convicted of being a habitual criminal and given an additional sentence of 5 years to life. He served two years in prison and completed his parole March 8, 1994.
Comment - And you wonder why these follows are so flagrant and have no respect for the law.
A long time ago when Remington's name first surfaced I'm sure I read LE inverviewed Remington because Ricci gave them his name. I do know Remington told LE Ricci was the bank robber, maybe LE offered him some kind of a deal. I've always wondered if Ricci wasn't implicating Remington in the ES case when he sent LE to him and maybe Remington wasn't in jail night of Jun 5 after all. And I've always wondered if rather than a inept LE agency if they're not an LE agency trying to hide something.
Smart thread: August 31-September 7, 2002 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/742500/posts?page=492
My post #487: "I have read plenty of your earlier posts...like the one with the cabin & Ricci meeting the perp there, burying Elizabeth.
"You don't have to rehash anything - I print a lot. lakey"
Your reply #492: "There must be a sandude on one of those other threads you go to because I never posted anything like this. Goodnight for now. sandude"
Just think, if I hadn't reminded you, and your theory is proved to be fact, you would have forgotten to take credit.
No lakey, I would have contacted you to find out who the original poster was so that I could have given them credit.
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