But what this individual did, instead of stopping for directions, he actually made great effort to conceal himself at the entrance/exit portion of our parking lot. There's a grass berm there, there's some pine trees. And he nestled himself in there. He actually maneuvered his vehicle numerous times, turned his lights on and off several times and actually stayed there for several minutes.
KING: So that was peculiar to you. And did you tape that?
TRUJILLO: Absolutely, because Shriners Hospital is a private hospital, and, of course, my paramount concern is always going to be our patients in the hospital. The individual that was on private property -- usually, again, people will come in, they'll ask directions or they'll leave right away. This individual hung out there for quite some time. So what I chose to do was disrupt my security rounds. I went inside. I got him on our surveillance camera and actually tried to zoom in to see what the individual was up to, to try to get a license plate, to try to get a better description of the vehicle and the individual. Now, when he first drove...
KING: As a -- I'm sorry, go ahead.
TRUJILLO: When he first drove past me, he was approximately 16 or 17 yards away from me, so I actually saw a profile of the individual before he actually went out to the entrance way and stopped and began to maneuver his vehicle and turn on and off his lights. At that time, I went inside to the security desk. I got on the video camera and actually zoomed in on him and watched him for numerous minutes. I think, all told, he was on our property for about 15 or 20 minutes.
KING: Did the driver of the light car look like Mr. Ricci, who is not a suspect in this matter, but has been held?
TRUJILLO: You know, Larry, I worked with Rick Ricci when I was a correctional officer out of Utah state prison. And I recognized Rick Ricci very readily from photographs and things like that. One of the things that was different about this individual that I saw in the vehicle that morning of the abduction was he had very thick hair and he appeared to be clean shaven. Now, of course, 17 yards is not a great distance, but it's far enough to where that if he -- I understand that Rick Ricci probably still has a very bushy mustache. This individual did not have that. And he had very thick hair.
KING: You didn't say to yourself that looks like Rick Ricci, who I knew for...
TRUJILLO: Absolutely. Absolutely not.
KING: As soon as you heard about the Smart kidnapping, you said, this could be involved, right?
TRUJILLO: Well, Larry, what we have said from the very beginning, and personally, I'm very happy that the tape, when we finally got to view that with the FBI, is very consistent with what I've reported the entire time. What we've said all along is that there are several coincidences.
Initially, the vehicle, the make or at least the color and the four-door sedan, that fit. The individual was Caucasian, he had thick, dark hair. He was wearing either a cream or an off-white colored jacket or shirt. Of course, we're in close proximity to the Smart home and, of course, the timeframe is very close. So, we feel like there are some coincidences there.
KING: Did it look to you like they were plotting something?
TRUJILLO: If you were to view the tape, you would see that they were definitely trying to signal each other. They were trying to hook up. It's obviously very abnormal behavior, suspicious behavior. It's certainly two vehicles that are trying to interact and finally do hook up, and then take off very rapidly. And then, again, they head back towards Federal Heights area. So, it's quite suspicious. It's not something that would occur every day at our hospital, or anywhere else for that matter.
KING: Would you say, Fred, that once you heard about the kidnapping, you said, this might be connected?
TRUJILLO: Absolutely. You know, with my background in law enforcement, again, you know, you -- sometimes you just get lucky, and I happened to capture it on tape. It may have nothing to do with the Smart abduction. But then again it might.
KING: The FBI, have they done things like blow this video up? Have you have talked with them while they've looked at it?
TRUJILLO: I have. I've interacted with special agent Kevin Eaton (ph) quite a bit, with Agent Ing Tao (ph) quite a bit. And they have actually sent the surveillance tape back to Quantico, Virginia, to get it enhanced. And that will be forthcoming later this week. As a matter of fact, I spoke with Agent Eaton (ph) this morning. He told me that there were some things that were enhanced, that were blown up, and still photography, digitized and blown up so that they could see them better.