Posted on 08/26/2002 9:57:23 AM PDT by mercy
Giving priority to what is most important, I have decided to swallow my pride. I had a dustup with a moderator. I lost. Though I think the moderators need a tuneup they ain't so bad really. I depend on them to keep this site from becomming a free for all whacko hate site. I used to push the abuse button quite frequently on my fave undesirables ... anti-semite, haters. I notice they're a bit thin around here lately.
It is most important that Free Republic live and thrive. It is less important that I get things my way around here. Though I do not agree completely with the proposition that it is Jim's site and he can do with it what he damn will pleases ... It's as much our site, collectively, as it is his now. Perhaps Jim does ride herd a bit too hard on this creation he gave birth to. Fact is I don't know. I simply don't have enough information.
But it is a given that FR is the best there is at what it does. If it's only my morning paper and a place to exercise my verbal skills ... it's worth supporting. Now is the time for all level headed thinking FReepers to come to the aid of our wounded friend ... Free Republic.
Your apology shows you are an adult. Well done.
Now someone else is tormenting me with this song! Aieeeeee!!!!
Of course it can be refuted. "Banned in Boston" was not the name of pre-MTV musical group. You may think you have discovered some new Constitutional protection for private acts which are nonetheless harmful to society, but thinking so and saying so doesn't make it so.
I don't think you can go back ever. You can only progress forward in time and cause change to something more like you want. But you will never ever get something exactly like it was when it started.
Try that in raising a child, making changes in a marriage or friendship. Are you going to continually rage against a child, marriage partner or friend because they have altered from what they were at the beginning?
This is the whole problem I see with the Libertarians - they live their lives trying to go backward to their own preceived ideal. It does not matter to them that voters have evolved the country into something else or why. They will have NOTHING but what was at the beginning.
If they can't have it - they will spend their lives destroying the imperfect conservative efforts of other lesser minds (in their opinion). Thereby, they further the ultra liberal agenda because they keep the new day conservatives tied up fighting with them and unable then to fight the liberal advance. This is allowing the voters to again choose liberalism instead of conservatism and moving the country further from where they want it.
Yet they can never understand. They just think the new day conservatives are following with blind loyalty.
It just seemed odd to me that most of the "equally vocal group" you flagged to the thread in your Post 801 seem to hold remarkably similar views (I discounted Jim R from this list ex cathedra). I found it curious why you didn't include posters such as Father Torque (Post 751), headsonpikes (Post 800), or tpaine (Post 726) on your list. They have posted to this thread as well, and at times have taken diametrically opposite positions to those of many of the people you pinged in your Post 801.
Be that as it may, I accept your explanation that you weren't trying to make some special point of the people you pinged to the thread. Let's move on.
(strela) So, let me get this straight. You honestly believe that calling somebody a "nazi" is less perjorative than calling somebody a "cop hater?"
Certianly not. Perhaps I haven't been around here for a while, but I do not remember either side as having a monopoly on perjorative terms.
Quite correct. However, it is also correct that rumor has it that at least one or two of the people throwing around the perjorative "cop hater" are also members of the "equally vocal group" you pinged to your original post. Conversely, there are other posters actively posting in this thread who have thrown around the term "nazi" in the past, but I tried in vain to find any of their names in your ping. It was my impression that you were taking to task those throwing the "cop hater" sobriquet around, but not so those calling others "nazis." Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
I would like to see more goodwill between us, rather than less.
I absolutely agree. However, I suspect that directing your message to more of the individuals posting in this thread (or to "all") would have insulated you from the obviously mistaken impression I got that you were addressing one side of the debate but not the other. But, that's just me.
(snip explanation of Godwin's Law. I'm an old Usenet hand).
I would like to extend my hand in friendship to you conservatives ...
"you conservatives?" Of what political stripe do you consider yourself? And if you are not a conservative, then why post at FR or give a flip about anyone who does?
Absolutely not.
However, I suspect that directing your message to more of the individuals posting in this thread (or to "all") would have insulated you from the obviously mistaken impression I got that you were addressing one side of the debate but not the other. But, that's just me.
This is not my intent, at all.
If anything, it is exactly the opposite to what I want to bring up to you folks. Not all libertarian-leaning people are so eager to just cry "nazi" or "statist." I am not making a point by leaving some obnoxious libertarians off the list. I was not speaking to them, after all. I was speaking to you.
I've pinged two that I can think of off hand that, in my opinion, could stand a little humble pie.
"you conservatives?" Of what political stripe do you consider yourself? And if you are not a conservative, then why post at FR or give a flip about anyone who does?
What does it matter how I identify myself so long as I am not a Democrat or socialist?
It matters not to me, personally. I was simply curious. This is not a court of law - the long arm of Jim R will not extend from the heavens and force an answer if you don't wish to provide one.
To which I replied:
What does it matter how I identify myself so long as I am not a Democrat or socialist?
Your response:
It matters not to me, personally. I was simply curious. This is not a court of law - the long arm of Jim R will not extend from the heavens and force an answer if you don't wish to provide one.
I apologize if I came across as being defensive.
To answer your question, I am somewhere between Libertarian and Republican, but exactly where is up for debate. The Libertarian Party is too extremist for me, and I believe it has moved too far in the "anarchist" direction. On the other hand I believe the Republican Party has moved quite far from its constitutionalist roots.
Motor Voter and its off-shoots, among other factors.
You know its funny, but I was always under the perhaps mistaken impression that "conservative" was an aegis under which we all fall (whether Pubbie, 'tarian, Keyesbot, etc.). "Conservative" was always the fallback, bedrock position for me - until now ;)
If I may borrow YOUR phrase from an earlier post: Good post - these are the discussions I enjoy reading. You presented your points very well without trashing anyone.
And you did! Good job!
What's in a name? :) My screen-name would indicate that I am a liberal, but the modern usage of "liberal" has been hijacked by the socialists. For some idiotic reason the liberals in turn hijacked a socialist moniker (libertarian from libertarian-socialist) to identify themselves.
I suppose that it's a valid question, what is a liberal doing on a conservative web site? At the risk of answering a question with a question, where else should I go? The "liberal" boards are all filled with socialists, and for some reason the "libertarian" boards are filled with Palestinian sympathizers. Neither one of those thing appeal to me. That's why I find myself back here.
The only two things that are for certian are, if I did not want to return I wouldn't be here, and likewise if Jim Robinson did not want me back I wouldn't be posting now.
I fail to see the rationale for using this.
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