Van Dam Jury Update, Monday August 12th: Westerfield's Fate Lies In Mudd Instructions?

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[FresnoDA]

Jury's time Jurors will resume deliberations Monday in the capital case of David Westerfield, who is accused of killing 7-year-old Danielle van Dam

DAY TWO: FRIDAY, AUG. 9, 2002
12 noon ET	Jury enters jury room.
2:30 p.m. ET	Jury goes home for the weekend.

DAY ONE: THURSDAY, AUG. 8, 2002
1:10 p.m. ET	Jury begins deliberating. After two months of testimony, the capital murder trial of David Westerfield is in the hands of the jurors, who began their deliberations following more than two days of closing arguments.
2:50 p.m.	Jury sends a note to the judge.
3:00 p.m.	Jury at lunch.
4:30 p.m.	Judge calls the lawyers but not the public or the press into the courtroom.
5:15 p.m.	Judge says jurors sent note asking to deliberate five days a week instead of having Friday off and he approved their request.
7:00 p.m.	Jury goes home for the day. Will return Friday morning.

[the Deejay]

I know just how you feel about losing your Maine Coon.
I had mine for 13 years. He got sick in 1998 and had
to have him put to sleep. I'll never go through that
heartache again.

Gee, I'm so amazed at how many have "found" their
Maine Coons. I had to buy mine and he cost a fortune.
(For a cat, I thought.) I think he was about $300.

[small_l_libertarian]

No way could Brenda fit into a size 8 underwear.

Just about sprayed my chocolate milk all over the place.

I just know she's bigger than me - don't know the size difference between 5 and 8.

[The Other Harry]

Are we sure that the 1/26 receipt is for THE jacket? I really can't remember anymore. I know that there is A jacket on 1/26. And there is A "sport jacket" on 2/4. Are you saying that the sport jacket is really a sport jacket (like a blazer-type thing)?

Dang! I was thinking about that exact question (was there a second jacket?) while I was running some errands. Glad you asked it!! Now I'll try to catch up with the thread again...

[MizSterious]

Update on the informal verdict pool: What's your best guess for when the verdict will come in? (actual verdict prediction optional and not recorded)

The winner(s) get to be called "winners" and the right to say "I told you so;" we're still negotiating about "neener neener neeners."

So far, we have:

Small-l-libertarian - Monday (today)
Countess - Today by 4 pm
FresnoDA - Monday (today) (afternoon)
It's Me - Tuesday (any time)
Pyx - Tuesday mid-afternoon
Mr.Stiv - Wednesday before lunch break
MizSterious - Wednesday
Basscleff - Wednesday afternoon
I.Ben Hurt - Wednesday afternoon
Shezza - Thursday before lunch
Mrs. Liberty - Thursday noonish
Domestice - Thursday afternoon
JRabbit - Thursday afternoon
Rheo - Thursday 3 pm
Pinz-N-Needlez - Friday moring first thing
Krodg - Friday morning
Demsux - Friday noonish
Nycgal - Friday 3 pm
Gigi - Tuesday (the 20th) morning
John Jamieson - Wednesday (21st)
L,Towm - Wednesday (28th)

(Note: All times PDT)

If this thread gets real long, you might want to send your choices via freepmail or post them on the Refugee site--often I quit reading them when they're very, very long.

[the Deejay]

HAHAHAHA!

Okay, I'll confess to a wearing a size 5/6 & I
know BVD is much, much larger than I am. But
have no idea if women's underwear goes up to
size 18. Never needing to look past sizes 5/6.
However, size 18 for BVD would be a good guess.

[spectre]

It took the Skakel Jury a little over 3 days to find him guilty.

sw

[UCANSEE2]

So, could it have been Brenda's underwear?

It it was, what would that mean?

All DNA matching was done to Brenda, therefore no proof Danielle ever in MH?

That leaves 1 print in MH, which wasn't found on first search of MH, but on second search, after DW's arrest, after body was found?

[The Other Harry]

This is the part I'm not sure about. I know that A jacket went to the cleaner's on 1/26. A "sport jacket" went on 2/4. How can we know if they're the same jacket, or if two different jackets, which is which?

I wonder whether the cleaning charges were the same or different. A true sport jacket should cost more to clean than a windbreaker.

[the Deejay]

Actually, BVD has that Hitlery Clintoon "broad beam"
(as Limbaugh calls it.) Therefore, a size 8 is totally
out of the question.

[small_l_libertarian]

Do you really think she's that big? I would put her at around a 12 or so in jeans. Think my estimate is bad? (Could very well be.)

[Lanza]

Thanks Spec. So, we have not hit the 3 day mark yet. I don't know if that is good or bad. That darn CTV this morning was already discussing the punishment phase as if he's already found guilty.

[small_l_libertarian]

I wonder whether the cleaning charges were the same or different. A true sport jacket should cost more to clean than a windbreaker.

Good thinking. And if the charges are the same, maybe that's a clue that it's the same jacket. I could only find one photo of one receipt and it was completely illegible.

[agarrett]

  I'm in, for Tuesday, 20 August. I don't think they'll get it this week, and also not on Monday of next week, but then pretty quick.

Drew Garrett

[the Deejay]

"don't know the size difference between 5 and 8."

The difference is great. Not even close. Next time you go shopping place a size 5 over a size 8. I promise you, BVD will not fit into a size 8.

[UCANSEE2]

Let's skip the underwear issue. I think even the SD LE's would have been hard pressed to have picked up Brenda's Undies and claimed they were Danielle's. I mean, there is a line some people are smart enough not to cross.

To me, if I was on the jury, I would be concentrating on the items of Evidence I mentioned, and saying to myself, "do these prove he kidnapped and killed her?"

[The Other Harry]

A BIG OLE' PING for this thread.

Hey! That ping list looks like the forensic evidence taken from Sanuelle's bedroom. Everybody on earth seems to be represented there -- except David westerfield (and me).

[small_l_libertarian]

Okay. I believe you. You know, I really don't want to be thinking about Brenda the next time I go buy underwear. I'll just take your word for it. :-)

[bvw]

If CTV has staked out the wrong mine and DW is found not guilty, they will over the next few weeks and months lose many of their audience, as folks hate to have their heads so twisted for naught. That lost audience wont't return for years even if CTV changes its format back to basics. JMO.

[I. Ben Hurt]

The vet told us our Door-ie cat was a silver-tipped Maine Coon. She looked black but her hair was silver next to the skin. He said those sell for about $1,000. She weighed approx 25 pounds. We have an old-fashioned bell on our front porch that we would ring to call her to come into the house. She would come running.

[the Deejay]

Oh no, a size 8 underwear would wear a size 10 in
jeans.

BVD has to take at least a 16/18 in jeans.