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Self | 04-08-02 | Abundy

Posted on 04/08/2002 2:47:57 AM PDT by Abundy

Consider a man or woman, who knows they have never done anything illegal. Let’s call her Jane Doe. She answers the door one day and finds two police officers on her porch uninvited. They ask if they can come in to speak with her. She asks “why” and is politely told they would prefer to speak inside.

Answer the following questions with a yes or no answer.

1 – Is she doing something wrong if she says “no”?

2 – Is she doing something wrong if she says “do you have a warrant”?

3 – If she asks either of the previous questions does she have something to hide?

4 - If she asks question 1 and/or 2 is she a criminal?


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Thanks in advance for your polite responses.
1 posted on 04/08/2002 2:47:57 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: bang_list
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2 posted on 04/08/2002 2:49:05 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy
At face value, I would say no to all 4 questions.
3 posted on 04/08/2002 2:57:49 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: unix
"face value" - thanks...looking for answers to the questions on the facts given.
4 posted on 04/08/2002 3:08:05 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy
No to all four questions.

-The Hajman-
5 posted on 04/08/2002 3:08:13 AM PDT by Hajman
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To: Abundy
'No' to each question. Now, what do I win for playing?
6 posted on 04/08/2002 3:15:35 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: Jim Robinson; harpseal; Travis McGee; real saxophonist; milehi; dbwz; technochick99; basil...
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7 posted on 04/08/2002 3:17:54 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy
and that's exactly what you got.
8 posted on 04/08/2002 3:28:06 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Abundy
She says "no" to all, close the door in their faces, and then (if she knows of legal skeletons hanging in her closets) contact a lawyer.
9 posted on 04/08/2002 3:56:45 AM PDT by theDentist
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To: Abundy
no 4 times.

And the way depending on what the 8th Circuit of Appeals sez, it would probably be unwise to even open the door.

10 posted on 04/08/2002 4:06:03 AM PDT by dread78645
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To: Abundy
No to all...of course.
11 posted on 04/08/2002 4:17:03 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Abundy
Most police would say/act the same if they were there to deliver extremely bad news.
Say a loved one being killed in an auto accident.
But then again, I don't have an irrational distrust for the police.
Particularly if I know I haven't done anything illegal.
12 posted on 04/08/2002 4:42:34 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money
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To: Abundy
In my best Rod Sterling voice.................No ....to all questions. Remember the trick question though was They ask if they can come in to speak with her. She asks “why” and is politely told they would prefer to speak inside.Now if she let's em in to speak inside she has given them more PC incidental to the continuation of the original reason for the search request and a simple cell phone (or even her own phone) call to a judge will get a verbal warrant for search even if they didn't have one to start.

Hell even the walk to the Kitchen to use the phone or accidently hitting the phone list and recall last number option on a digital dialer and seeing a suspect number on her phone is PC these days.

Polite questions like "may I have a drink of water" or "may I use your phone" and or "restroom " during a seemingly innocent visit is just a tool of the FLEA/LEO investigators.

Once inside they were looking at her book shelves, mail laying on a coffee table, todo notes on the fridge, number of dishes in the sink or on the table and asking questions based on what they saw and didn't see to validate a telephone and or paper warrant.

Stay Safe , say no at the door and if they have anything valid they wouldn't ask, they would just come in while giving you a nice paper cut across the forehead with said warrant.

13 posted on 04/08/2002 6:21:51 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Abundy
Here are my answers:

1 – Is she doing something wrong if she says “no”?

NO.

2 – Is she doing something wrong if she says “do you have a warrant”?

NO.

3 – If she asks either of the previous questions does she have something to hide?

NO

4 - If she asks question 1 and/or 2 is she a criminal?

NO.

Now I must comment about my answers. Come on you knew I would. :^) It is always fair to ask anyone who wishes to talk with you what the subject is about and no one has a right to be invited into one's home.

Clearly if someone asks a police officer for a warrant prior to entry that is their constitutional right. How can asking that question be considered evidence of criminal action?

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

14 posted on 04/08/2002 7:01:08 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: Abundy
1 – Is she doing something wrong if she says “no”?
NO
2 – Is she doing something wrong if she says “do you have a warrant”
NO
3 – If she asks either of the previous questions does she have something to hide?
NO
4 - If she asks question 1 and/or 2 is she a criminal?
What does this have to do with the price of tea in china? Last time I checked constitutional protections applied to criminals as well as non-criminals.
15 posted on 04/08/2002 8:28:43 AM PDT by Valin
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Polite questions like "may I have a drink of water" or "may I use your phone" and or "restroom " during a seemingly innocent visit is just a tool of the FLEA/LEO investigators.

You watch Law and Order don't you? ;-)

No to all four questions.

16 posted on 04/08/2002 8:34:03 AM PDT by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
Then again maybe we shouldn't be answering these questions until we consult our attorney...
17 posted on 04/08/2002 8:34:59 AM PDT by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
Nope , I was a deputy sheriff for 17 years........Stay safe !
18 posted on 04/08/2002 8:47:45 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Squantos
I was a deputy sheriff for 17 years...

Good for you. I just happened to see the "can I have a drink of water" on Law and Order once. They pull a lot of stuff right from the headlines.

Freegards.

19 posted on 04/08/2002 8:50:54 AM PDT by Ward Smythe
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To: Squantos
Everyone here (except one poster) is assuming a criminal investigation is happening, though... There isn't anything in the post that indicates that. How sad it would be to hassle officers tasked with the uncomfortable job of notifying a next of kin about a death.
20 posted on 04/08/2002 8:53:11 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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