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To: SuziQ; 2Jedismom; ksen; JenB; RosieCotton; g'nad
Okay, I need some advice from the homeschoolers (sorry if I missed others).

Jr. is still having a very difficult time in 8th grade. At this point, if he doesn't get his act together, he won't pass.

We know part of the problem is that we've had a crappy fall...Mom went back to teaching, Grandpa was sick and died, two football injuries, the flu, etc. So he's a little depressed (and recoginizes it).

Wife has a meeting with the school and with him next week. Because he's ADD he has a 504 plan.

Here's my concern:

I think I'm going to be fighting the medication battle again and I don't want to go there. When he started Ritalin in 2nd grade, I thought it was a good thing. But when he hit puberty, it no longer worked, so his pediatrician kept trying new stuff. I finally said "that's enough."

I don't want to go back. I think we can make some significant changes in diet and environment, but I can't get the Mrs. to go along. I know this sounds like I'm whining, but she's really dropped the ball with this one since the little one came along. At first it was understandable because the little one was so demanding (he was a preemie).

But our house is absolute chaos and I can't make any progress. If I don't do the dishes, they don't get done. If I don't do the laundry, it doesn't get done. I take care of the trash, the recycling and the animals (Jr helps when I remind/nag him). She cooks about 1/3 of the time, the rest is fast food/restaurant or pre-prepared crap.

I think changing some of that would make a big difference. But after 16 years, I have little hope that anything will change. And, if I say anything now, I'll look like the heartless SOB that doesn't remember she just lost her father. Well, I DO remember that. And I remember losing mine when I was 20. She just hasn't realized that she's not the only one affected by this.

I'm whining, I know. Some of this crap I just have to live with.

But I'm looking for education options for Jr. Problem is that I know the Mrs. couldn't/wouldn't carry through with homeschooling.

Sigh....

47,124 posted on 12/12/2002 10:17:25 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ooops. I wish I had read your post before I posted mine. Not trying to be a smart aleck in response to or insensitive to your frustrations.
47,127 posted on 12/12/2002 10:22:55 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin, although Becky (5) is not in school yet, I fear that I may face the same problem. She is EXTREMELY active, sometimes hyperactive and has a very short attention span. I refuse to even think about Ritalin because I hate the thought of medicating her personality.

I wish I could offer some advice or even lend a hand, but I am not in any position to do either (no teenagers yet and too far away). I can, however, continue to pray for you and your family.

I have commented before on my admiration of your ability to wear so many hats (and to wear them so well), so I'll spare you any more of that. However, I must say that your willingness to pick up the slack is remarkable and altogether a very rare thing!! Your wife and kids are very lucky to have you.

Don't worry too much about the meals. If fast food starts getting too costly, start looking into cantinas (dinners delivered at home for a reasonable weekly cost), food by the pound (usually a Hispanic bodega offers this, again more affordable than typical fast food) or lots of frozen dinners (for fast meals). As far as the dishes go, it's paper plate time at the Stormhands residence! :)

This is a temporary valley and will pass. As the baby gets older, the Missus will have more time to pick up her old schedule and duties (as a mom of a 5 month old, I can say that each month that goes by gives me a little more breathing room).

As far as Jr.'s grades go, I'll leave that to 2J since she is our resident expert on education.

Hang in there, Corin. You're doing the best you can and it's a dam* fine job you're doing too!!

47,132 posted on 12/12/2002 10:55:45 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm not sure how you motivate kids that are not motivated. Lots of them are just bored, IMO, though that can be coupled with other problems that I wouldn't know about.

I always really think the best thing a parent can do is just to BE with a child, tho without smothering them, giving love and discipline, tho I figure you're already doing that.

My parents never went anywhere without us kids if possible, just because they loved being with their kids, I've felt the same about my kids, even bringing them to "romantic" anniversary dinners out, I just wanted them with me. Tho, when they become teenagers, they increasingly need time away from parents, as they get more independent and responsible (we hope).

There was a time, about the same grade as your junior, 8th or 9th, when my son wasn't doing his homework too much. His teachers worked out some thing where he had to bring home a card to me every day from each of them - they wouldn't give him the card if he hadn't brought in the homework that morning.

Plus, I had some pointed talks with him, in which I did my best to make him try to see himself in the future, how he might want to actually have the ability to choose how he might like to spend his life, something far less likely for those who miss out on education.

Anyway, he eventually got through all that, is now in law school, so I hope for the best.

But I know every kid is different, and if the household is unsettled, the child probably will be, too.

I wish the best for him and for you guys, and figure you'll work things out fine, as junior sounds like a nice kid.
47,148 posted on 12/12/2002 11:27:45 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Corin Stormhands
yuh got freepmail...
47,151 posted on 12/12/2002 11:32:48 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin, I really feel bad for situation. It has been a bad patch for your family.

I am not married, I don't have kids... I have no wisdom to offer you, except talk to your wife, talk to your son, and remember to let them talk, and listen to what they say. (With your wife, make sure you wait till she is done! LOL!). Don't wait until you are so mad you just blow up on them. If you are already there, then remind them that you love them. Try to enjoy some moments over the holidays. Your life is going to change again when MiL moves in. Try to appreciate that you have a family and are very much needed. I don't often feel very needed by anybody lately, and that is emptier than feeling put-upon!
47,154 posted on 12/12/2002 11:35:37 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
But I'm looking for education options for Jr. Problem is that I know the Mrs. couldn't/wouldn't carry through with homeschooling.

You may be wrong about the Mrs. and the homeschooling thing. If she sees Jr. taking to it, it may spark her interest. Remember you don't have to TEACH Jr. most things. With upper middle and high schoolers, they are teaching themselves for the most part. They are doing the reading, writing and learning. You are the facilitators. You provide the means and the materials based on what you know of your child's weaknesses and strengths. Sometimes you get it right, and sometimes not. The best part is that when something isn't working, you're not stuck with it, and you don't have to force it on your child because it is something is required by someone else! You can sell it to someone else and buy something NEW! Not all children learn the same way, so homeschooling is wonderful because each subject can be learned in the way that is most suitable for your child.

Remember that YOU don't have to do the teaching, and for those things with which your child needs help, you can always engage a tutor, or enroll him in a homeschool resource center for a couple of classes. The main point I'm trying to make is that this type of education is TRULY geared to your child. Now with Jr., you may have to have a little sit down, 'come to Jesus' meeting about HIS responsibilities to his OWN education. Have you talked to Jr. about this? Don't couch it in terms of "you're not doing well in school, so let's see if we can whip you into shape at home". You could try it like "It is obvious that you seem to be having difficulties being interested in what they're teaching in school. (You've made the SCHOOL the problem, not him!) Have you ever thought about trying homeschooling? We could look into some of the currucula and programs together to choose what you would like and what would be best for you.(You're giving him permission to direct his own learning) Learning is ultimately something you have to do for yourself. No one can MAKE you learn, so it might be fun to find some subjects you would really like to learn about and could teach to yourself." But most kids really jump on this opportunity to follow their interests and do the work in their own time. Sometimes our daughter will only do two subjects in a day. She'll do her Geometry, and either she'll concentrate on Literature or U.S. History. But she'll read for several hours and really LEARN the material rather than be stopped after an hour to move on to something else. It all seems to work out if you have an overall plan about where you want to be by a certain date.

I wish you luck. Your wife could be going through a time of mild depression, that was there before the experiences with her father's illness and death. I had a period like that a few years ago when I had just lost interest in keeping up with the house, and I really wasn't paying attention to what the kids were doing in school. As a result, we didn't notice that they weren't being challenged, and their education was suffering. It took me a couple of years to shake it off, but Sir SuziQ was patient, though it drove him nuts! I'll keep your family in my prayers, Corin. I know it is tough, and the decision to homeschool will be a big one, but I think you're in an area of the country which has many resources available to h/sers.

Well, my advice is worth just about what it costs you, so you can take it or not. Just some thoughts.

47,173 posted on 12/12/2002 12:05:17 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin: I think you have a lot in common with my own dad. You care about your kid and you know that's a lot all on its own. I understand your wife may be unable to homeschool Jr but perhaps you could.

It sounds like academics is your main concern, and maybe you can help him. Perhaps if you cut back on his free time and focus on academics with him on evenings, and on weekends, it would help - not just help him get through his school but help him respect you more. I don't want to make this sound like I think your parenting is bad, but for the most part, if a kid is goofing off it's because he doesn't respect his parents. You deserve his respect, and he needs to understand that.

If there's anything I can help with - I don't really know that much about homeschooling from the parent end but I do understand the student part of it pretty well - let me know. And I'll be praying for your family.

Oh - and as a last suggestion, hold off on all of this until after the holidays. Let your schedule calm down before you even make any decisions, and don't send Jr off to military school until after Christmas ;-)
47,272 posted on 12/12/2002 2:35:04 PM PST by JenB
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