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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
It is just a Java chat room - nothing insidious... and you don't have to voice chat... we type...
6,341 posted on 05/26/2002 9:33:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
The chatroom just has the option for voice chat. But many of us (like me) don't have microphones either, so much of the time we just type-chat. And sometimes we have combinations--some of us type while others use the voice-chat, which can all be done at the same time.

Yahoo usually does require a one-time install for the chatroom, as far as I know the download hasn't caused any problems for anyone's systems if that makes a difference to you.

Hope you can make it in there one of these days...chat is a lot of fun when all manage to get in there together.

6,342 posted on 05/26/2002 9:34:58 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Corin Stormhands
Careful, anytime there's a fight, the orcs always show up...

Be they Carter orcs or Wakefield orcs? :)

6,343 posted on 05/27/2002 5:15:40 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands;HairOfTheDog;2Jedismom;Penny1;All
Good morning everyone!


6,344 posted on 05/27/2002 5:22:08 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
I think I've seen some of that while driving to visit relatives... it looks like PA only flatter and more farmed, or West VA with few trailer homes.

You know you keep putting Virginia down, subtlely perhaps. But I haven't said anything negative about Pennsylvania...yet.

Trust me, I can win that one!

6,345 posted on 05/27/2002 6:23:06 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; JenB; HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; Penny1; all
Good morning everyone! It's stormy and wet outside, but I don't mind! Tonight we're going out to eat and to see that celtic band I've been talking about. Woohooo!
6,346 posted on 05/27/2002 7:30:52 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
So what are you going to do the rest of the day? Watch The Movie, perhaps?

Just pulled a pie crust out of the oven. I couldn't let strawberry season go by without making at least one fresh strawberry pie. I'll probably tidy up the hole some, turn the compost pile, practice until the kitty yowls in protest.

6,347 posted on 05/27/2002 8:01:04 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I was thinking of starting the movie...

Yesterday I bought some strawberries and removed the leaves and cleaned them all out. Out of a quart box, I had one unedible strawberry! I just set them out on the table for people to snack on.

6,348 posted on 05/27/2002 8:19:08 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I've been doing that all season. I haven't even made shortcake yet! All that's left to do is clean the strawberries, make the syrypy goopy stuff, fill the shell, and chill.
6,349 posted on 05/27/2002 8:30:52 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
I don't really mean to put down VA - I thought I was putting down West VA, actually! And no, I don't like the place, but I'm decidedly biased by bad DC memories....

Hi all, in and out here. Have nice barbeques, everyone!

6,350 posted on 05/27/2002 8:59:28 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB;2Jedismom;Overtaxed;Corin Stormhands
Good morning! More later... still sipping coffee and waking!
6,351 posted on 05/27/2002 9:07:13 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Maybe not a new page for you but it is for me! Woohooo!
6,352 posted on 05/27/2002 9:11:23 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
So did you start the movie? I did. "Fireworks, Gandalf!"
6,353 posted on 05/27/2002 9:20:31 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Nope, started practicing while the boys are all out washing the car (aka playing in the hose).
6,354 posted on 05/27/2002 10:39:13 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Started the movie to do laundry and clean by (I'm at the bridge.) I should practice while Her Majesty is outside. :)
6,355 posted on 05/27/2002 11:17:57 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
It is just a Java chat room - nothing insidious

Well, that's good to know... Yahoo gave no warning as to what it was trying to send me, and I'm naturally suspicious of things like that.

6,356 posted on 05/27/2002 11:46:22 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Penny1
Yahoo usually does require a one-time install for the chatroom, as far as I know the download hasn't caused any problems for anyone's systems if that makes a difference to you.

Thanks for the info! Now that I know what Yahoo was trying to do, I'll try it again. I may make it to a chat yet... ;)

6,357 posted on 05/27/2002 11:47:59 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; HairoftheDog
Good afternoon, ladies! How are your Memorial Days? We've got sun and warm weather, and in a few hours we'll be firing up the gas grill for bratwurst! Grandma came over for the afternoon and we're all relaxing. Apparently our idea of "family fun and togetherness" means that everyone's on the computers at the same time...
6,358 posted on 05/27/2002 11:54:24 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Would we send you someplace dangerous? We hang out sporadically in the chat room, when the mood strikes us or there is a live event we can chat about without going to the trouble to put it in "print" here.

In addition to chat there is also some other stuff... Mathoms we wanted to share. There are great things in the files section. The complete texts of LoTR, Silmarillion and others... Very handy to have if you want to post long quotes! And links to cool sites. We initially put a lot of photos there... although that was before Penny set up her treasure trove, so they have less value now.

Hope to see you in there soon!

6,359 posted on 05/27/2002 12:03:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
It's a dreary day here, but ok since we had two great evenings of cooking out. The two blondes are taking naps, the two brunettes are on the computers.
6,360 posted on 05/27/2002 12:03:19 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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