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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: RosieCotton; RMDupree
So you gals saw it too?... glad I'm not just seein' things...
42,741 posted on 11/20/2002 11:40:48 AM PST by g'nad
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
C'mon down to Tolkien Town!

I am sure glad you found TolkienTown to be as funny as I did. ROTFL!

42,742 posted on 11/20/2002 11:42:14 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
Maybe the additional footage showing how it was done will be in the super extra special platinum gold silver edition put out when all the movies have been released?
42,743 posted on 11/20/2002 11:42:55 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
My two little sisters are here all evening, plus I have choir practice, so won't have time tonight.

Ballgame tonight so my attention will be divided. But I'll have more than an hour at work this afternoon and I don't have to cook dinner. I'm pretty sure I'll hit 30000 by the end of the week.

42,744 posted on 11/20/2002 11:43:50 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton
Sorry Rosie! - I sure hope you can find something soon!
42,745 posted on 11/20/2002 11:44:03 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
Smeagol saw it. I thought the last arrow got it.

Let's see... first arrow in the shoulder.

2nd arrow, more in the chest.

3rd arrow, in the stomach area.

I will admit it is not clear...

No one comes near him with a sword between the shot of it not broken and the shot of it broken.

But, you have to admit... that is one great fight scene.

42,746 posted on 11/20/2002 11:45:22 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
I sure hope you can find something soon!

Me too! But worst case scenario probably isn't as bad as it might be...the worst case would probably be that I have to move to Central or Southern NH. And though I'd rather not just because of my house and my family, that's not exactly a bad place to be.

So...today I'm positive. Tomorrow I may go back to being down in the dumps. ;-)

But I still haven't gotten a refusal from either of the two places with openings that I applied to, and I was told I'd get a letter if they decided I didn't meet their requirements. So there's still hope!

42,747 posted on 11/20/2002 11:47:05 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
Today's specials:
2 Lembas in mallorn leaves $5.99
Splinter from Celeborn's head $3.49
Lorien cloaks (some minor imperfections) $49.99

C'mon down to Tolkien Town!
Save a nickle, save a dime!
You'll save money every time!

42,748 posted on 11/20/2002 11:51:09 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: carton253; g'nad
The danger is there... it stays in the back of your mind... but you just go on.

I was in Israel just after the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon (December 1983). We saw a bus that had been bombed and parts of the airport were being rebuilt. Soldiers were all over the place. But we never really felt afraid.

I did get a little concerned once when we were in a little town on the border with Lebanon. They were frequently being bombed at that point. The guide pointed to the top of a hill and said "They are fighting a mile in that direction."

Corin was thinking "It's about a mile to the top of that hill..."

42,749 posted on 11/20/2002 11:53:29 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: carton253
The first arrow gets him in the upper left chest, just below the clavicle, lacerating the top of the lung...

The second arrow went low, creasing the pancrease, the traversing segmet of the lower intestine, and probably nicked the kidney...

the third arrow hit between the two, taking the lower lung and possibly the renal artery... and didn't strike anywhere near the horn...

he would have bled out more quickly (30 seconds, max), if he'd been hit with broadheads... everyone, including Legolas, is using bodkin tipped arrows, for punching through heavy armor...

42,750 posted on 11/20/2002 11:53:55 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
I think the horn got broken "off-camera" while we were lookin' at Lurtz....
42,751 posted on 11/20/2002 11:55:51 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; Corin Stormhands
Hot deals on:

Elven Swords, never been used and only dropped once!
Elven Cloaks, with minor bloodstains
Elven girdles, to prevent that "big Elven butt" look

42,752 posted on 11/20/2002 11:56:48 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Overtaxed
But what about shoes? An elf can never have too many pointy shoes...
42,753 posted on 11/20/2002 11:58:45 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad
he would have bled out more quickly (30 seconds, max), if he'd been hit with broadheads...

Only if PJ told him to...

42,754 posted on 11/20/2002 11:59:50 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Overtaxed
gotta run... see yuh tomorrow...
42,755 posted on 11/20/2002 12:00:27 PM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad; RosieCotton; carton253
I bet Merry & Pippin got it with one of those rocks...
42,756 posted on 11/20/2002 12:00:31 PM PST by ksen
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To: g'nad
See ya.
42,757 posted on 11/20/2002 12:01:17 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad
I noticed that even on the regular DVD. I can't see where any of the two Uruk-Hai could have broken it.

Methinks it's just a flub, but knowing the prefectionist that Jackson is, perhaps we're the ones just missing something.
42,758 posted on 11/20/2002 12:01:54 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: g'nad
gotta run...

Buh bye, have fun pukin' your guts out!

42,759 posted on 11/20/2002 12:02:23 PM PST by ksen
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To: g'nad
The fact that you know all that, I find very impressive. I agree that none of the arrows touched the horn. I think that is the illusion that PJ wanted you to have. Because there is a shot of Boromir fighting... horn intact... then the shot of the third arrow between the two (you were paying better attention than me) and the horn then was split.

I agree... the arrow didn't do it. But, I think the film editors wants us to believe that.

42,760 posted on 11/20/2002 12:02:37 PM PST by carton253
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