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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: HairOfTheDog
He had his father's distrust of the wisdom of wizards and elves perhaps, and temptation re-organizes our thoughts and priorities.

Plus, based on the conversation between Faramir, Denethor, and Gandalf in ROTK, Boromir had his marching orders from his father. To get the ring and bring it back to Minas Tirith.

421 posted on 03/19/2002 4:55:48 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
There's no heat... it's a discussion!

If you want heat, bash the Elves! :D

422 posted on 03/19/2002 4:56:26 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
Well, if you like Ayn Rand you might enjoy the Thomas Covenant series. Not that they have anything in common but they're both kinda long and make people with a lot of religious values want to throw the book across the room. Just kidding. I've read Rand and her stuff is long but has an interesting point, one I disagree with but a point. Thomas Covenant does not. It's by Stephen Donaldson, btw.

When I was a kid, then a teenager, I loved reading fantasy/sci-fi, mostly fantasy. I read the Thomas Covenant series back then. After I became a Christian I picked it up again, and nearly threw it across the room ;^). I despise Harry Potter and I love Tolkien.

My daughter asked me one night “Dad, why is Harry Potter bad but LOTR good?” I wasn’t quite prepared for that question. I told her that in the Harry Potter series that magic was glorified, and that good and bad were intermingled. Whereas in LOTR good is good, evil is evil, magic is not glorified, more often than not it corrupts those who attempt to wield it.

She then asked “What about Gandalf? He’s a wizard.” I told her that even though he had the title of “Wizard” in the book he was actually an angelic like being that was sent by the one “God” to help protect Middle-Earth.

Anyway, I don’t know why I went into all that, but there it is.

Do you have any good book suggestions for someone of the [fundamental] Christian persuasion? What do you think of Lawhead?

Thanks.

-ksen

423 posted on 03/19/2002 4:57:27 AM PST by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
I like Rivendell Elves... I like Mirkwood Elves... I don't like Lorien Elves... I find them creepy...
424 posted on 03/19/2002 4:57:58 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
It was his contention that God has a dim view of democracies.

To answer your Tolkien-unrelated but interesting question, it would seem to me that God has a dim view of kings! After all, when the Israelites demanded a king, didn't Samuel warn them of all the bad things that would happen? And since I'm a stickler for semantics, I might add that a democracy is "mob rule", where the whole people decide every issue, and not practical on a large scale. What we practice is a representative republic, not a democracy. Which is why this site is called "Free Republic".

I'll be back for real Tolkien talk after second breakfast.

425 posted on 03/19/2002 5:01:45 AM PST by JenB
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To: carton253
I wasn't as anti-Elf before I saw the movie. The movie made them too snooty! Also, in the books the Elves laughed more and didn't seem to look down their noses at non-Elves. I agree with you about the Rivendell, Mirkwood, and Lorien Elves.
426 posted on 03/19/2002 5:02:34 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: DonnerT
Let's bring the question of whom to cast as Bombadill (had it been in the movie) to this thread. Patrick Stewart could have played him but I would have cast Stewart as Gandalf; though the image of him saying 'Engage!' to Shadowfax spoils the picture. William Shatner as Tom?...naww he's too silly. I never liked him in anything anyway. How about Merlin Olson?

How about that old guy who was in that Ron Howard movie where all these old people were turned youthful from swimming in a pool that had "alien" pods in them? Wilford Brimley I believe is his name.

-ksen

427 posted on 03/19/2002 5:04:46 AM PST by ksen
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To: carton253
I like Rivendell Elves... I like Mirkwood Elves... I don't like Lorien Elves... I find them creepy...

I see what you mean. After all, Elrond looked like a boy, Legolas looked, mostly, like a boy, but Haldir and his folk all looked like amazon women. ;^)

-ksen

428 posted on 03/19/2002 5:07:44 AM PST by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
(I know I'm going to get flamed for this.)

I doubt it. I am setting myself up for disapointment because I hope they sweep, but I predict that FoTR will not get the awards we would like to see it get. There are logical reasons why they should not let FoTR sweep this time. They can't. They have two more years after this one for movies that have all the promise of being just as high in quality as this one. They are not going to let LoTR and a small film company dominate all the major awards for three whole years and they have to worry about precedent.

Prediction: (write this down)

McKellan wins, and maybe three other more minor awards like song or technical awards. Against all hope, I don't think they will get Director or Picture, although a higher chance for director than picture.

In the next two years, we will see Actor or Supporting Actor nominations for both Elijah Wood and Viggo Mortenson.

I bet they award the whole effort most heavily in the third year.

429 posted on 03/19/2002 5:07:49 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: DonnerT
Patrick Stewart could have played him but I would have cast Stewart as Gandalf

Patrick Stewart seems a bit too serious to play the jolly Tom Bombadil, and I can't picture him (even with the miracles that Hollywood performs) with "thick brown hair...crowned with autumn leaves." Shatner would be much better suited personality-wise for the role, I think, but then I'm a biased hardcore fan of the original Trek series.

430 posted on 03/19/2002 5:08:13 AM PST by The_Expatriate
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To: The_Expatriate
Yes, but Stewart can act and Shatner can't.
431 posted on 03/19/2002 5:15:14 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Ooooh, dem's fightin' wards, dem is!!
432 posted on 03/19/2002 5:16:29 AM PST by The_Expatriate
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To: The_Expatriate
I like the original Star Trek... and I like Shatner as Kirk. I like Kirk better than Picard. But, Shatner plays Shatner no matter what the role. (He's not the only actor who does) Bombadill... how about Jack Nicholson. I can picture him dancing down a path, babbling inane poetry, with leaves on his head.
433 posted on 03/19/2002 5:18:24 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Yeah, I can see Brimley as Tom. There was another character actor (large fellow, looks alot like him) in Cacoon that would have been even better,,, but I can't think of his name.
434 posted on 03/19/2002 5:19:10 AM PST by DonnerT
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To: carton253;DonnerT;The_Expatriate
How about Robin Williams?

-ksen

435 posted on 03/19/2002 5:23:46 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
He may work... but, then again, he may overpower the scene. You need more of a character actor and not a "star". That's the only thing against Nicholson...

Have you heard of an actor named Robert Hardy out of England. He played Siegfried Farnon in All Creatures Great and Small series... He would be perfect. Great actor, disappears into the role, has the look of Bombadil.

436 posted on 03/19/2002 5:25:53 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Did Galadriel tell Frodo that in the book?

hehehe - I am not the guru in the group!

Well, perhaps I am blending the film and the book this morning... On a quick skim through... I didn't find it... I found one passage that on its own makes it look like Frodo's presumption:

Frodo rose to his feet. A great weariness was on him, but his will was firm and his heart lighter. He spoke aloud to himself. `I will do now what I must,' he said. 'This at least is plain: the evil of the Ring is already at work even in the Company, and the Ring must leave them before it does more harm. I will go alone. Some I cannot trust, and those I can trust are too dear to me: poor old Sam, and Merry and Pippin. Strider, too: his heart yearns for Minas Tirith, and he will be needed there, now Boromir has fallen into evil. I will go alone. At once.'


437 posted on 03/19/2002 5:26:52 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
And if that is what Frodo believes than that is why Frodo goes.
438 posted on 03/19/2002 5:30:29 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
You've got a point there about Shatner always playing Shatner...

Hmm, Jack Nicholson...I can picture him dancing down a path, babbling inSane poetry, but I think 90% of the audience would be expecting him to slit his guests' throats while they sleep or go berserk with an axe in the forest...or at least answer the hobbits' inquiries with a snarling "You can't handle the truth!" Nicholson is an orc if I ever saw one.

439 posted on 03/19/2002 5:32:02 AM PST by The_Expatriate
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To: The_Expatriate
Okay... I will cast in the role of Tom Bombadil, the English actor Robert Hardy.
440 posted on 03/19/2002 5:35:20 AM PST by carton253
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