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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: JenB
Multiple choice or essay questions? ;~D
41,961 posted on 11/16/2002 6:30:16 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Short answer, nothing more!
41,962 posted on 11/16/2002 6:35:12 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Answered!
41,963 posted on 11/16/2002 7:20:30 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: John Farson

Hullo!


41,964 posted on 11/16/2002 7:23:41 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen; Overtaxed
Free the animals, indeed!

I was sitting at my computer yesterday morning and heard some scratching at the sliding door to my right. I looked down, and there was a squirrel up on its back legs, looking into the den! It was hilarious! I don't know what it was looking for, but then it looked up and saw me sitting in the chair looking at IT, and it ran away! Fresh little thing!

41,965 posted on 11/16/2002 7:31:49 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
I caught one of the little varmints watching TV through the living room window. I changed the channel on him, so there!
41,966 posted on 11/16/2002 7:35:05 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; John Farson
Is John Farson back??
41,967 posted on 11/16/2002 7:36:25 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
Tomorrow is Harry Potter until afternoon sometime.

Did you and the sibs enjoy it? I took our two yesterday morning (the second showing of the day) There were a few kids in the theater besides ours, but there were a BUNCH more in line when we got out. Their parents must have gotten them out of school early for it!

We enjoyed it, though the quality of the film wasn't the best in our theater and it was WAY TOO LOUD!!! I hope these theaters will be going digital soon, so the picture won't be jumpy and blurred!

41,968 posted on 11/16/2002 7:37:14 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
That is what a little bird told me!

We shall see!
41,969 posted on 11/16/2002 7:39:25 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well! John Farson is posting and doesn't even drop by the Hole...his most famous thread...

I'm feeling like so much chopped liver.

;-)
41,970 posted on 11/16/2002 7:40:24 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I am in the process of making myself sick on this:

Isn't that Chocolate Coated Popcorn scrumptious? My favorite is the Caramel Coated with Almonds and Pecans. You can truly make yourself sick eating it!

Our popcorn orders came in today, too, (the Scoutmaster called) but we'll wait to pick it up at the Troop meeting on Thurs.

41,971 posted on 11/16/2002 7:40:25 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
My favorite is the Caramel Coated with Almonds and Pecans

Guess what I'm eating right now...LOL! Got the cannister sitting on my lap.

41,972 posted on 11/16/2002 7:41:37 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: ican'tbelieveit
I may have to figure out how to invest in a new and bigger tv, LOL.

We were at some friends house for a dinner party last night and they have this huge new home theater system, BIG tv, sound, etc. I told her I was going to bring over my SE LoTR DVD! She said her kids had been enjoying the original on the new system. I'll definitely have to bring the SE over and all our kids can watch it!

41,973 posted on 11/16/2002 7:51:26 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
We are all chopped liver!
41,974 posted on 11/16/2002 8:02:50 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: All
Good night everyone!
41,975 posted on 11/16/2002 8:30:49 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB; SuziQ
I saw Harry Potter tonight. Had a very enjoyable evening. Yes, Kenneth Branaugh was a hoot. I liked Skel-grow too. But what really spoke to us in rainy Olympia was "eating Slugs!"

We're overrun by 'em here. And they are the grossest things.

41,976 posted on 11/16/2002 10:01:27 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: JenB
All I'm gonna say is, Kenneth Branagh was amazing.

He is a very good actor. I've never been disappointed by one of his performances, even the "over the top" ones like this one, or the wierd inventor in "Wild Wild West"

41,977 posted on 11/16/2002 11:26:17 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
"eating Slugs!"

After seeing the first couple come out, I had to close my eyes. It was just GROSS! Poor guy!

41,978 posted on 11/16/2002 11:31:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog; JenB; ecurbh; Overtaxed
I wanted to have something to say before I posted here. It is good to be back. :)
41,979 posted on 11/17/2002 12:38:48 AM PST by John Farson
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To: John Farson
WB! Ready to discuss the SE yet?

Good Morning, everybody!
41,980 posted on 11/17/2002 5:23:49 AM PST by Overtaxed
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