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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
We obviously know that all bad things are on the LEFT!

LOL! You caught that too?!

41,181 posted on 11/12/2002 10:44:03 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
"They will look for his coming at the White Tower...but he will not return."

I got fahklempt AGAIN!

41,182 posted on 11/12/2002 10:50:28 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Looks like I funkled again, too! That's what I get for staying up so late!

We really enjoyed the extended version. The additions were so seamless, I can't imagine the movie without them now!

41,183 posted on 11/12/2002 10:59:01 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
Guess whose internet connection went down last night? I wrote some crap too, here as always.

Yawn. Off to work...

41,184 posted on 11/13/2002 4:00:56 AM PST by JenB
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To: SuziQ; HairOfTheDog; ksen; 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear; g'nad; RosieCotton; JenB; ...
Yawn...morning all....

Jr. and I made it to but not through Moria. We couldn't start until after 9:00 p.m. and kept getting interrupted. Several phone calls, dog had to go, etc. Plus the little one kept waking up and I realized, much to my dismay, that his nebulizer is in the back of the van, which my wife has in North Carolina.

Here's where I am today:

- I am surprised I have not yet received a call about my father-in-law. My wife is there and supposed to come home today if he lingers. They've taken away all meds except for pain and to help him rest. He's not drinking, he's not eating, he's running a fever. I just can't imagine it being much longer.

- I have several things I must get off my desk today, especially if I'm anticipating being out the rest of the week (which I am). On top of that I have to leave early to take Jr. to get the cast off of his arm.

Based on those things (and the fact that I still have to get the storm windows up), I have decided:

As much as I want to see it through, we'll have to wait for a full Stormhands viewing of the Special Edition.

Nanowrimo is being put on the shelf. I may go back to it. But I refuse to feel guilty about leaving it where it is. (It's the weekend for my characters, they can use the rest).

I'll be in and out today as time allows. But I really need to try to stay focused on the stuff on my desk.

I'm not trying to sound whiney. And we really are coping okay (I can say that 'cause I'm not there). But I need to prioritize.

I know I'm bordering on heresy when I say this, but viewing the movie and even spending time here should not be my priorities right now. Trust me, I'd prefer to be in Middle-Earth, but I just can't right now.

I'll pop in when I can today.

g'nad, you are really going to like the elves leaving Middle-Earth scene....

41,185 posted on 11/13/2002 4:15:18 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hey bro, we understand... sometimes life takes priority... y'all take care till I see yuh again... your family we'll be in our prayers...

I know I'm really gonna like the elves leaving Middle-Earth scene... thanks fer the heads up...

41,186 posted on 11/13/2002 5:44:14 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
Pop in when you can - even if it's just to get whatever little support we can offer at such a rough time.

Prayers continue to be with you and your family, Corin.

41,187 posted on 11/13/2002 6:09:07 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: All
OK - I watched the Extended Edition last night and it was GREAT! Much more character development which in turn creates a much different feel in the movie when Boromir dies, when Gandalf falls into Shadow, the whole interplay between Gimli and Legolas, etc.

I've brought the DVDs with me today to check out the CD-ROM content. I'll let you know if there is anything on there we haven't seen yet.

Stormy looking in Miami today. Cold front coming through which means we might go down to a whopping 75 degrees.

41,188 posted on 11/13/2002 6:17:31 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hi Corin, hope everything will be OK, and hope you will continue to be able to be around the "hole" some, as you will be missed otherwise. Best of luck with the immediate future (and the rest of it, for that matter).
41,189 posted on 11/13/2002 6:27:31 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: RMDupree
Hey, RM, the National Weather Service is calling for mid 50's tonight!...there are some scattered storms just to the west of us at the moment, heading generally east.
41,190 posted on 11/13/2002 6:29:22 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Hey, RM, the National Weather Service is calling for mid 50's tonight!...

Cicle the wagons! Gather firewood! Get the animals under shelter!... this is a disaster!... ;o)

I love pokin fun at floridians about the cold...

41,191 posted on 11/13/2002 6:39:12 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
You forgot the bread and milk.
41,192 posted on 11/13/2002 6:45:41 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad; All
Morning everyone!

I actually got to bed before midnight, so that was nice.

Watched the first disc with the Director's commentary running. There is some pretty neat info on there.

PJ, Fran Walsh and Phillipa(?) (one of the writers) were the ones commentating. They said Fran Walsh did the scream for the Nazgul. Phillipa said all PJ did was to tell Fran he had just bought the rights to *The Silmarillion*, Fran didn't stop screaming for weeks. ;^)

PJ also let out that a Galadriel voice over will bookend the entire trilogy.

I may watch the disc 2 commentary tonight.

g'nad, here's hoping you get the DVD before TTT comes out. ;^)
41,193 posted on 11/13/2002 6:48:00 AM PST by ksen
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To: g'nad
Yeah, I'm breaking out the heavy weather gear...sweatshirts and stuff, checking to see if the heat works,etc. ha ha :-)
41,194 posted on 11/13/2002 6:48:20 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
mid-50s!!!

That's great. Sounds like I'll actually be able to sit outside tonight without being eaten alive by the skeeters! :)

41,195 posted on 11/13/2002 6:57:52 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: g'nad
Poke fun all you want. Our blood gets pretty thin and we feel the cold ten times worse than most folks.

*putting on long underwear and parka for cold snap*

41,196 posted on 11/13/2002 6:59:08 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: All
Uh oh.

Suspicious Truck Stopped in Downtown D.C., Roads, Bridges Blocked

41,197 posted on 11/13/2002 7:00:13 AM PST by ksen
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To: RMDupree
Dwarf snow pants in Florida snaig!!
41,198 posted on 11/13/2002 7:00:24 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Dwarf snow pants in Florida snaig!!
41,199 posted on 11/13/2002 7:00:25 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Dwarf snow pants in Florida snaig!!
41,200 posted on 11/13/2002 7:00:25 AM PST by RMDupree
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