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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I knew it...I was gonna wait a tad too long!
37,001 posted on 10/24/2002 6:33:06 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I can even outwit myself while telling myself I'm doing it!!

The big one is yours!

37,002 posted on 10/24/2002 6:34:27 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
hehehe... I had a 10 post dialogue with myself all ready to go... when I refreshed and saw your posts!

I had to scramble to get back into the game!
37,003 posted on 10/24/2002 6:34:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I was trying to wait to hit it just when I saw 98 or 99 come up...it got to 97 and I waited!
37,004 posted on 10/24/2002 6:36:31 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
The big one is yours!

Thank you! It somehow feels better to have won it against competition than to have taken it while no one was watching!

Gosh, we're silly.

37,005 posted on 10/24/2002 6:38:10 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Amazingly, chess is one of the few games I really enjoy. My son taught me how to play and I play at about the same level as him and so we are good chess companions.
37,006 posted on 10/24/2002 6:39:10 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Scott from the Left Coast; Bear_in_RoseBear
Silliness and Tomfoolery!

Good night boys! Goin' to bed!
37,007 posted on 10/24/2002 6:39:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Heh, I was waiting for someone to post #90, so I could start a run with #91... then I saw you had done 3 or 4 posts, and I got desperate!
37,008 posted on 10/24/2002 6:40:59 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Silliness and Tomfoolery!

Tookishness?

Good night!

37,009 posted on 10/24/2002 6:41:59 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
Maybe we need to plan on an Entmoot Chess Tournament?

Although, between eating and watching the movies, I'm not sure there will be time for chess!
37,010 posted on 10/24/2002 6:46:19 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
Working my way up through the posts...are you Irish?

LOL! Irish and Italian on my Mama's side; Amer. Indian and Redneck on my Daddy's!

37,011 posted on 10/24/2002 6:50:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I'm definitely bringing my Lord of the Rings Chess set!
37,012 posted on 10/24/2002 6:54:00 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed; RosieCotton
Pinging everyone who's doing NaNoWriMo... am I forgetting anyone? We only have a week left, tomorrow, until it starts. Is everyone ready - or at least as ready as we'll ever be?

Bear, if you're still offering web space, can we discuss that this weekend or early next week? I like to be prepared for things ahead of time because then when I procrastinate later it balances out...

37,013 posted on 10/24/2002 6:59:55 PM PDT by JenB
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To: SuziQ
"LOL! Irish and Italian on my Mama's side; Amer. Indian and Redneck on my Daddy's!"

I'm a quarter Irish (Cennedi and O'Carroll), something sounded familiar about your post :-)

No Italian or Indian, though.

37,014 posted on 10/24/2002 7:02:16 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
LOL! Maybe we can have some chess pick-up games during intermissions in the movie!
37,015 posted on 10/24/2002 7:06:07 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Desperation may be the key tactic to this!
37,016 posted on 10/24/2002 7:08:00 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sleep well.
37,017 posted on 10/24/2002 7:08:51 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: JenB
if you're still offering web space, can we discuss that this weekend or early next week?

Most assuredly! I'll figure out how to set up a user account for you tomorrow and email or FReepmail you the details of logging in, uploading, etc. Then if you have any questions we'll have plenty of time to thrash it out.

37,018 posted on 10/24/2002 7:10:20 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
That sounds great! I'm going to bed now and won't be around until tomorrow evening, so I will get back to you then!
37,019 posted on 10/24/2002 7:12:42 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Have a good night!
37,020 posted on 10/24/2002 7:17:37 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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