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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed
LOL You are probaby gonna get it. The person that posted on that thread has no problem saying just what's on their mind.
35,881 posted on 10/21/2002 6:10:54 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
Nice, Rosie!! Thank you!
35,882 posted on 10/21/2002 6:11:29 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
You are probaby gonna get it. The person that posted on that thread has no problem saying just what's on their mind.

Well don't expect me to lose sleep over it 'cause it ain't gonna happen.

35,883 posted on 10/21/2002 6:19:49 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Rowallan Consort plays true medieval music (generally on ancient instruments

OOO WEE! I LOVE medieval and renaissance music! Boston Camerata did a lovely 'Renaissance Christmas' CD a few years back. I had the album, but got it last year on CD. It is wonderful!

I'm going to check out the Rowallan Consort.

35,884 posted on 10/21/2002 6:23:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
The herb book says that chamomille is also good for indigestion and nausea.
35,885 posted on 10/21/2002 6:26:05 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
I looked up Rowallan Consort on Amazon.com and this is what came up. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005B1GK/qid%3D1035249830/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-5529812-8987851

Does this look familiar? The songs mentioned are definitely Medieval, but the name of the CD strikes me as a little odd.
35,886 posted on 10/21/2002 6:26:31 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
I'm not surprised...I have started drinking it now whenever I feel my stomach getting upset. I really think it helps. You know, it feels like I have a brick or rock in my stomach...not really a pain, just a bad yucky feeling. I haven't had it since I've been drinking this tea!
35,887 posted on 10/21/2002 6:27:39 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: SuziQ
Yes. The same folks (plus a few) that play as the Rowallan Consort also do the Baltimore Consort. Look down a little further on that page and you'll see the Rowallan Lute Book listed as well as a few others. They have quite a large catalog as either the Rowallan or Baltimore Consort. There should be more on Amazon than just this entry.
35,888 posted on 10/21/2002 6:32:26 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: RosieCotton
I love the fact that most of his songs are just three or four chords...and how much he could put into a song that musically is fairly simple.

Yep, all of the magic was in his lyrics, and in the way he sang them, imho.

35,889 posted on 10/21/2002 6:38:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
I had figured out the font color= thing, but only know a few colors. And I'm clueless when it comes to the hex code colors...

Here's a list of basic color codes:

purple=800080
light purple=9370db
blue=0000ff
cyan=00ffff
green=008000
light green=80ff80
yellow=ffff00
light yellow=ffff80
orange=ff7000
red=ff0000
pink=ff8080
magenta=ff00ff
brown=401000
grey=b0b0b0
white=ffffff
black=000000

In the hex code, the first two digits are red, the next two are green, and the last are blue. Values are from 0 (black) to f (white). I'm looking for a good table I can link to.

35,890 posted on 10/21/2002 6:39:41 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton
To borrow one of 2JMs favorite lines "Fetch My Medicine"! I'm listening to "Noels Celtiques"; a CD of music from Brittany. It starts with a song I've heard before, but don't know the name. It is just a lovely tune with awesome harmonies!
35,891 posted on 10/21/2002 6:39:54 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: RosieCotton
See, I read Heinlein first when I was 10. It was magical stuff then and at least some of my enjoyment is nostalgia. But I like books that made me think, even about silly things - and this particular book was written in 1951, when really and truly no one knew what was on the other side of the moon. They were pretty sure, but no-one had been there.

Some general remarks about HTML and such for you and Suzi: the reason why some tags are allowed to have spaces, such as < img src > is because the first part is the name of the tag - what it is - and the second part is one particular behavior of that tag. The "img" tells the browser that it's a picture; the "src" bit says where to find that pic. You can have other things, like "height" and "border" after the "src" too.

The hex tables - if you have Paintshop, or even Paint, open up the color palette and pick the color you want. The hex value should be shown somewhere. If it's just a "200 Red, 50 Blue, 6 Green", you can convert - the hex values are just those numbers in hex - base 16. So "ffffff" is just 256-256-256 - or white.

35,892 posted on 10/21/2002 6:41:14 PM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
We read the Chronicles of Narnia to the kids about 5 yrs. ago when ds was 8 and dd was 10. They enjoyed it immensely. Have you seen the Wonderworks production of the Chronicles? It was 3 parts; The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and the Silver Chair. It was a very good adaptation combining live action and animation. I know it is on video. Check your library or video store. It would be fine for both boys, I believe.
35,893 posted on 10/21/2002 6:43:02 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Thanks! I'll check out the additional listings!
35,894 posted on 10/21/2002 6:43:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Look down a little further on that page and you'll see the Rowallan Lute Book listed as well as a few others.

I looked back and didn't see that listing on that page, nor did it come up in a search. It keeps coming back to the Baltimore Consort, but nothing on the Rowallan Lute Book or Rowallan Consort.

35,895 posted on 10/21/2002 6:49:59 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
That post makes no sense to me. What are you talking about? Whistles?
35,896 posted on 10/21/2002 6:53:37 PM PDT by JenB
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To: SuziQ
That post makes no sense to me. What are you talking about? Whistles?
35,897 posted on 10/21/2002 6:53:54 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Oops! Now it's sneak time...
35,898 posted on 10/21/2002 6:54:09 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Oops! Now it's sneak time...
35,899 posted on 10/21/2002 6:54:10 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Oops! Now it's sneak time...
35,900 posted on 10/21/2002 6:54:15 PM PDT by JenB
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