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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
Oops, how'd that happen?

I must have been hanging around Overtaxed too much today.

-Kevin

3,441 posted on 04/25/2002 1:01:50 PM PDT by ksen
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To: All;JenB
Jen even made up the secret handshake!!!!
3,442 posted on 04/25/2002 1:02:39 PM PDT by carton253
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To: ksen
Nah, I was refering to them letting the Dwarves and Bilbo escape, and then not learning from that error and letting Gollum escape.
3,443 posted on 04/25/2002 1:04:19 PM PDT by JenB
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To: ksen,jenb
Smeagol escaped from their care... that's one of the reason Legolas came to the Council of Elrond to report the escape to Gandalf and Aragorn.

By the way, JenB also made up the Smeagol fan club password...

3,444 posted on 04/25/2002 1:04:22 PM PDT by carton253
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To: JenB
By the way, I'm giving Carton the silent treatment.
3,445 posted on 04/25/2002 1:07:33 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Fine... Carton is going to the grocery store and will see you tonight at the meeting. (Remember, you are speaking about the "Virtues of Being Smeagol". The buzz is it should be a full house.)
3,446 posted on 04/25/2002 1:11:05 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253;JenB;Overtaxed
Look at this for smeagol:

According to the Red Book of Westmarch, In Middle-earth, smeagol was a Illiterate Longbeard

Elven Name Possibilities for smeagol
The root name suitable for feminine and masculine is: Nurbor
Another masculine version is: Nurborion
More feminine versions are:
Nurboriel
Nurborien
Nurborwen

Hobbit lad name for smeagol Rudigar Brandybuck from Buckland
Hobbit lass name for smeagol Primrose Brandybuck from Buckland

Dwarven Name for smeagol Ori Stormbow

Orkish Name for smeagol Urkuk the One-eyed

Smeagol gets to be related to Pippin!

-Kevin

3,447 posted on 04/25/2002 1:25:45 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
See! It's catching!
3,448 posted on 04/25/2002 1:30:48 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
Nah, I was refering to them letting the Dwarves and Bilbo escape, and then not learning from that error and letting Gollum escape.

I had forgotten about those bits. Although as I recall the vaunted elves of Lothlorien weren't able to do much with Gollum either, so I don't see how the Mirkwoodians can be held THAT much to blame. ;^)

-Kevin

3,449 posted on 04/25/2002 1:36:48 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
50..
3,450 posted on 04/25/2002 1:52:34 PM PDT by ksen
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To: JenB
Hello all! Beautiful day here!
3,451 posted on 04/25/2002 1:56:52 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ksen
I especially like the 01's and the 51's. It's a fresh start with no cumbersome graphics (not that I mind them). But by the time we've gone through 50 posts...I'm ready for a clean slate!
3,452 posted on 04/25/2002 2:01:22 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ksen
Pippin is a Took!

It's Merry who's the Brandybuck.

3,453 posted on 04/25/2002 2:21:46 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: carton253
Be meaner... I know you can do it...

Okay...The Mirkwood Elves couldn't guard a tube of toothpaste!

Is that better or should I use the cheese-eating moniker?

3,454 posted on 04/25/2002 2:32:28 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
he Mirkwood Elves couldn't guard a tube of toothpaste!

ROFLOL!

3,455 posted on 04/25/2002 2:34:06 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
Nah, I was refering to them letting the Dwarves and Bilbo escape, and then not learning from that error and letting Gollum escape.

And they let Sauron escape! Hope that they aren't the ones guarding Robert Blake in LA -- you might as well hand an inmate the keys as expect the Mirkwood elves to keep them locked up! I guess the only responsible Mirkwood Elf was Legolas, so naturally he wants to go to the Greyhavens and ship out.

3,456 posted on 04/25/2002 2:35:41 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: 2Jedismom
Hehehe...Jen must be AWOL.
3,457 posted on 04/25/2002 2:37:09 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Overtaxed
They weren't in charge of Sauron! The Mirkwood Elves were moriquendi, hardly up to the task of dealing with an evil Maiar.

OT, I was in class. A three hour lecture on fascism and communism. In another hour and some I have a massive pain in the neck building meeting to attend. This is your only warning: do not mess with the Elves. I will not be liable else.

3,458 posted on 04/25/2002 4:45:58 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Evening all - I am home and dog-tired. Looks like you all had a pretty good time here today! Did I miss anything?
3,459 posted on 04/25/2002 6:46:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Oh...then you were on the front lines...no fun!
3,460 posted on 04/25/2002 7:04:31 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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