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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: HairOfTheDog
I saw... sorry you felt you had to post, but I'm getting angry too. I can chat if anyone else can.

Otherwise I had a boring, Tolkien-less day with siblings and headache. Thank goodness the weekend is almost over.

301 posted on 03/17/2002 3:35:10 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
I will be there in a minute
302 posted on 03/17/2002 3:42:04 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That is a good way of capturing that part of his personality, The part I call the "jock" side of him. He loves the team, and plays for the team, but also loves the close-ups they will do on instant replay when he scores the winning touchdown! A trait not inherently evil in a normal course of events, but a trait that made him dangerous when the tempation of The Ring began to play with his mind.

It's more than "jock personality". In wartime, the glory hound can sometimes work miracles, but usually gets himself and others killed needlessly. Faramir, no less brave, is doing the dirty, dangerous work of leading a secret raiding party behind enemy lines. He's taking responsibility for the lives of his men, rather than dreaming of the glory of a miraculous victory using the enemy's most powerful weapon against him.

If Boromir hadn't his thinking clouded by his desire for glory, he would have realized that destroying the Ring would do far more damage to Sauron than any mere mortal trying to turn the Ring to his will against its own master.

303 posted on 03/17/2002 4:36:31 PM PST by 300winmag
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To: 300winmag
You are right of course... a deeper thinker than I today. Well put. We are in the chat room if you want to chat!
304 posted on 03/17/2002 4:53:12 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
Geez, even this Aragorn is hot.:)

I'm hopeless..............

305 posted on 03/17/2002 5:53:31 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
You found a whole Hildebrandt collection! - I had the calendar these shots came from as a kid... been years since I saw them. I am going to go check out the site you are bringing these from!
306 posted on 03/17/2002 6:11:31 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Here's a LINK in case you or anyone else needs one.

They are beautiful images.

307 posted on 03/17/2002 6:20:04 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
I went and checked them out... I had forgotten some of them, but their Gollum is definately the image I think of when I imagine him. I hate the silly outfit they put on Legolas, but we can't all be pleased all of the time can we?
308 posted on 03/17/2002 6:23:49 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MozartLover
I have a feeling this will not help your problem, but it is a fine shot... a preview from The Two Towers... He is on horseback.


309 posted on 03/17/2002 6:37:13 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh. My. Goodness.

You're right. No help at all.;^)

310 posted on 03/17/2002 6:43:06 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: HairOfTheDog
He's just so.................................so......................................
311 posted on 03/17/2002 6:44:14 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
Happy I could not help ;~D
312 posted on 03/17/2002 7:04:43 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I will not comment on the symbolism of that picture which I guess all of you female posters will admire. He looks rather like a figure out of Ivanhoe, which is deliberate, of course. I went to that horrid thread -- how could you mention it without a barf alert? I am sure that the skeptics, who think TS is a put-on, were correct.

I am glad I missed SNL for both reasons, Ian McKellen's over-the-top behavior, which I guess is not a surprise, seeing the audience for that show, and no LOTR skit either (probably they decided that the props would cost too much).

313 posted on 03/17/2002 8:55:16 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
As you watch it, both the dubbed and the subtitled versions, I would be interested to know if the translation captures Tolkien's (and Jackson's) style well enough.

It'll be a while before I get around to reading and watching the Japanese versions of LOTR, but I'll certainly let you know what I think. It goes without saying that the dubbed version will probably give a fuller impression of the dialogue, but as you know, the "equivalent" expressions in different languages often convey different impressions. In glancing through "The Hobbit" in Japanese, though, I did notice that an effort was made to rhyme the songs, and that Gollum was called Gokuri, which is the Japanese expression for a gulping sound...nice touch.

I fear the "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" effect.

That would only happen if the Japanese were translating into English...and then it would be almost guaranteed :-) One concern I might have is that the subtitle translators here seemingly work at times from the video and not the script, as I have encountered the occasional mistranslation (when I'm paying attention) that without question came from a misunderstanding of the spoken word.

Does New Line have it translated it and dubbed around the world, or do third parties in each country do that? - Is there an "approval" process with New Line to officially sanction the translation?

The subtitle translation for LOTR was done by Natsuko Toda, a name you would probably recognize if you watched a few American movies here as she does the subtitles for lots of the big hits (she also did Harry Potter). She was helped by Akiko Tanaka, who is the translator given the responsibility of polishing up and correcting Teiji Seta's 1960s translation -- apparently there were some inconsistencies in personal/place name renderings into Japanese as well as some questionable spots. I would guess that the dubbing was done in Japan by a local company hired by New Line. I'm sure this is all more information than you need or want, right?

If you're curious to see which Tolkien books have been published in Japan and what their covers look like, you might take a peep at this page; don't worry...it's in English.

Oh, BTW, "The Hobbit" (two volumes in Japanese paperback) is now ranked No. 24 and 26 on Amazon Japan...Bilbo lives!

314 posted on 03/17/2002 11:03:54 PM PST by The_Expatriate
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To: Burr5
Regarding Boromir... I considered your question all weekend long. Did Boromir intend to take ring the whole time, or did he fall off the wagon?

In the Two Towers, when Sam is talking to Faramir in the chapter "Window on the West", Sam says about Boromir. "I watched him from Rivendell onward and it was clear that he watched my master. In Lorien, I became convinced he would take the ring."

Also, Faramir is not surprised that Boromir made a play for the ring.

In Return of the King, when Faramir returns and Denethor finds out that he did not take the ring when he could have, Denethor said that Boromir would have brought him the ring. In fact, Denethor fully expected Boromir to bring him the ring.

And lastly, Gandalf tells Denethor that he did not trust Boromir.

So, it is my contention that Boromir planned to take the ring the whole time... to use the ring as a weapon for the defense of Gondor.

315 posted on 03/18/2002 4:25:14 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
Nope... just don't care for boring characters who don't advance the story. If Bombadil had played more of a role than what he did, I might have cared for him.
316 posted on 03/18/2002 4:27:46 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairoftheDog
And I didn't "trash" Bombadill... I just said I don't care for him. If I set out to trash him, you'd know it.
317 posted on 03/18/2002 4:44:07 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
I don't really care for Bombadil either until they get to the Barrow Downs. The Barrow Downs stuff is interesting and they do pick up those Westernesse blades.
318 posted on 03/18/2002 5:05:13 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I think Bombadil is a character you either like or don't like. My friend who lent me her books loves him. I started reading, and I thought what a silly character. I thought from the time the Hobbits met Bombadill until they reached the Pracing Pony little served the story. MozartLover in the Green Dragon gave some interesting background on Bombadil, but still, move the story on. I'm glad I didn't give in to my first inclination and put the book down while Tom was skipping down the paths... I would have missed a great book.
319 posted on 03/18/2002 5:11:04 AM PST by carton253
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To: MozartLover; HairoftheDog
He's just so.................................so.......................

So very, as I like to say. Isn't he, though! Hair, I can't see your picture - can you give me the link?

320 posted on 03/18/2002 5:28:17 AM PST by JenB
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