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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
Yes, the 22nd.

Which is also the four month anniversary of Mom's death...sigh...

I just HAD to rain on everyone's parade, didn't I? :-(

26,341 posted on 09/19/2002 1:19:30 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Which all the more reason for you to do something you'd enjoy that day! You know your mom would want you to! Probably look down at you from heaven and smiling lovingly, thinking "Oh that silly girl!"
26,342 posted on 09/19/2002 1:21:23 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
one port is labeled 11D...which immediately made me think of hobbits (eleventy) and sent me off into a daydream about Bilbo's birthday party...

Any old excuse, huh, Rosie?

26,343 posted on 09/19/2002 1:27:17 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
Yeah...I know. I just wish I didn't miss her so much! If I didn't have faith it would be REALLY hard, but even WITH faith, I can't help missing her terribly. Will just take time, I guess.
26,344 posted on 09/19/2002 1:28:16 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
Which all the more reason for you to do something you'd enjoy that day! You know your mom would want you to

I agree, Rosie. Do it to honor HER!!

26,345 posted on 09/19/2002 1:29:40 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Any old excuse, huh, Rosie?

Doesn't take much, that's for sure! But I'm always dangerous when working with that sort of stuff...my brain always tries to make sense of number and letter combos and I get distracted! Anyone else find all kinds of interesting words, abbreviations and guitar models(!) in Microsoft Office codes? Oh well...so I'm easily entertained!

26,346 posted on 09/19/2002 1:31:21 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Now that you mention it, the pamphlet I read was produced in Stoor. And as everyone knows Stoor is often referred to as "Mordor on the Gladden Fields."
26,347 posted on 09/19/2002 1:47:04 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
The Stoor Curious Urinal? I line my birdcage with that...

Well, I would if I had a birdcage....

26,348 posted on 09/19/2002 1:51:21 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
I just called home and guess what I heard playing in background...............that's RIGHT!....Bilbo's birthday party. Weird huh?
26,349 posted on 09/19/2002 1:58:04 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Now, the Khazad Dum Times Tribune, there's a source you can trust! And the Misty Mountains Gazette has some interesting features as well. But I'm not too familiar with the Gondorian periodicals.... What do you rely on?
26,350 posted on 09/19/2002 2:04:37 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: ksen
What are you DOING!?!? It's after 4:00pm, go home already!

I WENT home! Had to get my samples on the instrument.

Mumble, mumble, mumble, why some pointy-headed applications geek thought that an erlenmeyer flask meant pump control is beyond me!

26,351 posted on 09/19/2002 2:14:42 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
As I recall they sprayed the Shire with DDT

I didn't know they used DDT on spiders.

26,352 posted on 09/19/2002 2:24:18 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; RosieCotton
Learning a new tune for my youngest jedi...

The Fair-Haired Child


26,353 posted on 09/19/2002 2:40:59 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
I didn't know they used DDT on spiders

I just said it in jest. All I know is that DDT is a pesticide. Pardon my ignorance.

26,354 posted on 09/19/2002 2:52:51 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Sorry....just got off from work.

Those hobbits are in big trouble with the EPA. :)

They used DDT on mosquitoes.

26,355 posted on 09/19/2002 2:56:51 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hi, grumpy hobbit-friend. I think that Elf you were bashing a couple pages back was Gil-galad. At least his weapon looked right. I'm once again in my favorite class. Who has Elf trivia to distract me with?
26,356 posted on 09/19/2002 2:59:37 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
The Shire doesn't have an EPA! The Shire doesn't need no stinkin' EPA!
26,357 posted on 09/19/2002 3:00:27 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
The EPA thinks otherwise...
26,358 posted on 09/19/2002 3:09:19 PM PDT by JenB
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
But I'm not too familiar with the Gondorian periodicals.... What do you rely on?

I used to read the Gondor Today, but since that hack Grima Wormtongue bought the thing it has been worse than useless, just one more liberal rag.

Now I rely on the "fair and balanced" Minas Tirith Picayune Observer. Maybe you've heard of their motto, "We report, you decide."

Two weeks this past Sunday they had a wonderful write-up on our Annual Polka Party Day. It was an A-list event. I read that Gimli even showed up this year and premiered his new "Snow Pants Polka." I heard it went over big with the Royals.

26,359 posted on 09/19/2002 3:40:57 PM PDT by ksen
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
The Shire doesn't need no stinkin' EPA!

Try telling your friendly neighborhood EPA auditor that.

26,360 posted on 09/19/2002 3:45:23 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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