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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: carton253
Excellent. I'll see if I can make up -err, remember anything else interesting later, ok?
1,701 posted on 04/03/2002 10:41:51 AM PST by JenB
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To: carton253
Yes... Lord Smeagol once again. Hey... if anyone has The Two Towers on them, could they please post Smeagol's song about fishes.
1,702 posted on 04/03/2002 10:42:37 AM PST by carton253
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To: JenB
Did you just pull a fast one on me? Did you think I wouldn't look that stuff up? Well, I'm going to have to make a list and put you on it!
1,703 posted on 04/03/2002 10:43:19 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
No, no, it's really true! It's from The Book of Really Lost and Unfinished Tales, Plus My Father's Grocery Lists, edited by Tolkien's son, of course, and due out sometime next year. He let me look at an early copy because I know more about Middle-Earth than anyone but him and this guy in New Orleans named Bob who lives in his parents' basement and eats shoeboxes.
1,704 posted on 04/03/2002 10:55:42 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
If you don't stop... you'll leave me no choice but to start a fervant defense of Denethor!!!!!!!!!
1,705 posted on 04/03/2002 10:56:42 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
I'll sic Bob the Geek-boy on you. He doesn't like Smeagol at all.
1,706 posted on 04/03/2002 11:02:10 AM PST by JenB
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To: carton253
There was a great deal of discussion about the preview earlier and I missed whether or not you'd seen Smeagol scaling down the cliff over Frodo and Sam? He sounds great! Very intense. I can't wait!!
1,707 posted on 04/03/2002 11:09:04 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Restorer
Agreed. I still think Jackson was robbed for the Adapted Screenplay Oscar. The screenplay was not only the best adapted screenplay of the year, it is the best I have seen in my life.
The winner, Beatiful Mind, was a rather routine pedestrian product, by comparison.

Jackson was indeed robbed. Perhaps he can find solace in knowing that Hobbits everywhere are breathlessly was for installment 2 and solace in the millions he is making and is going to continue to make. How many people are dying to see A Beautiful Mind 2?

1,708 posted on 04/03/2002 11:10:52 AM PST by Samwise
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To: Samwise
How does the old saying go? He's probably crying all the way to bank? :-)
1,709 posted on 04/03/2002 11:14:37 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
No... and when I was hedging on whether to go see it or not (do I really need to see this movie for the 9th time?), Gollum was the reason I wanted to go. Well, I had convinced myself not to go... until I clicked on 1546... the little sneak peek looks wonderful... so, on Saturday, I will go, and, yes, Smeagol is the reason.
1,710 posted on 04/03/2002 11:18:22 AM PST by carton253
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To: JenB
Bob? Bob?! Smeagol could eat Bob for lunch. (And very likely will too)
1,711 posted on 04/03/2002 11:19:00 AM PST by carton253
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To: 2Jedismom
Well, yeah, I'm sure the money helps... ;)

But also, his goal was to make a movie made BY Tolkien fans, FOR Tolkien fans. The vast majority of those Tolkien fans heartily approve of his efforts, so I think that's what they all want, more than recognition by the Academy. You can tell that by the fact that rather than rushing off to the hottest post-Oscar party, they all went to the TORN party before hitting the rest of the circuit.

1,712 posted on 04/03/2002 11:20:27 AM PST by Penny1
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To: Samwise
Well, really, who would want to see A Beautiful Mind a second time. Once you understand the "thing", there is no reason to see it again. Kind of like knowing who the murderer is... no suspense, etc.

Peter Jackson has made one of the greatest films ever made... period. Fifty years from now, we will still be watching it while A Beautiful Mind will be an answer in Trivial Pursuit. That's why it should have won Best Picture. And that's why he should have won Best Director. I've seen the picture 8 times... and there is still always something new to see.

1,713 posted on 04/03/2002 11:22:01 AM PST by carton253
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To: Penny1;2Jedismom
He's already taken a goodly sum of my money to the bank. With the DVDs and two more movies coming out, he is assured to get more in the future. This is one Hobbit who's happy to increase his wealth.
1,714 posted on 04/03/2002 11:26:37 AM PST by Samwise
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To: carton253
Probably so, but this Bob would bore even poor Smeagol to sleep long before he could be eaten. You know how we Tolkien-experts are; stuffy, broing, and constantly rambling on about snooty Elves and elflore!
1,715 posted on 04/03/2002 11:28:27 AM PST by JenB
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To: carton253
I think you'll be pleased and really...one can not see FOTR too many times, can they? I mean except for financial reasons, I'd be there every night! LOL

But Smeagol has the starring role of the preview, in my opinion...chilling in his intensity! I really think you'll love it. I was very pleasantly surprised at how they portrayed him. ('Member, I'm a Smeagol fan too). It has to be before the "taming" because as he speaks the hatred in his voice for Baggins and his obsession for the Ring is obvious in every part of every word.

1,716 posted on 04/03/2002 11:28:46 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Samwise
breathlessly was for installment 2 = breathlessly waiting for installment 2

Samwise Junior is talking to me. It's hard to listen, talk, read, and type at the same time.

1,717 posted on 04/03/2002 11:31:14 AM PST by Samwise
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm with you... 8 times isn't enough to see the movie, but I'm afraid that I will overdose on it, so I want to be careful, that's why I was hesitating.

I remember that you are a Smeagol fan. (Smeagol fans unite!) I think Jackson is fond of Gollum, and he will be the "star" of The Two Towers.

1,718 posted on 04/03/2002 11:34:21 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
and there is still always something new to see.

Absolutely...I can't wait for the DVD so I can view it any time I want and freeze frame those gorgeous scenes--the landscape and Aragorn.

1,719 posted on 04/03/2002 11:36:55 AM PST by Samwise
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To: Samwise
Aragorn will be a prime reason to wear out the pause button.
1,720 posted on 04/03/2002 11:38:59 AM PST by carton253
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