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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: JenB
So very what?


141 posted on 03/14/2002 4:39:42 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Just 'very'. It's the perfect description of him...

I'm in the chat room - is everyone else feeding ponies? NOB!!

142 posted on 03/14/2002 4:42:18 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Yes, he is.:)


143 posted on 03/14/2002 4:42:22 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
OK, Just to give equal time, let us at least appreciate grace as well...

Very deadly grace!

OK - I am done burning up bandwidth now. I have been weak.

144 posted on 03/14/2002 4:43:29 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
One more bandwidth-burner:

(but, OH, is it worth it!!!)


145 posted on 03/14/2002 4:53:34 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
OK so now that we have driven all the men out!

Men Come back come back! - We'll stop!

146 posted on 03/14/2002 5:01:03 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MozartLover
Loooove that picture! Seriously that's one of the best Aragorn pics I've seen... and I've seen a lot.
147 posted on 03/14/2002 5:01:39 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
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148 posted on 03/14/2002 5:01:52 PM PST by Bob J
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
Wow, may I say I really like the new place, especially all the....errmmm...interior decorating... ;)

Adding my 2 cents:


149 posted on 03/14/2002 5:08:45 PM PST by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Hi Penny! - Wondered where you have been! - Jen and I are in the chat room... come entertain her while I feed the ponies. They are hungry.
150 posted on 03/14/2002 5:10:30 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Penny1
Oh, Penny, you sure have a way of getting our attention, don't you? Come play chat with us!
151 posted on 03/14/2002 5:10:56 PM PST by JenB
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To: Penny1
"Hoo! Yeah! " CD who?
152 posted on 03/14/2002 5:24:19 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; JenB
Hehehe...

Sometimes posting here is just too much fun! ;)

153 posted on 03/14/2002 5:37:29 PM PST by Penny1
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To: Penny1
What happenned! I start a business trip on Sunday, get the PC going on Thursday, and the Hobbit Hole is gone! Thanks for the ping, apparently the new software, which was being tested when I left, has required some big changes! I had better go read up on it (I just wanted to say hello first),

I appreciate your tolerance of my sometimes overly heavy commentary (I wonder what newbies thought of my Judas - Gollum comparison !), and look forward to raising some pints on our journey ahead. In particular I look forward to making a toast to Boromir, at some tavern in the White City, to which he gave his life.

To Boromir, worthy descendant of the Stewards of Gondor!

154 posted on 03/14/2002 6:32:40 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
That's Boromir the "Faithful Jewel."

Welcome to the new hole!

155 posted on 03/14/2002 6:37:50 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Glad you found your way here. Do you wish I had quoted you when you were being silly?
156 posted on 03/14/2002 6:44:01 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Do you wish I had quoted you when you were being silly?

But that is 75% of the time! (I just don't say WHICH 75%).

157 posted on 03/14/2002 6:46:12 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
I promise I'll stop...........but I couldn't resist this one....


158 posted on 03/14/2002 7:13:30 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
hehehe - I have cable. Post 'em if you got em would be my rule. But I am afraid we may lose the dial-up crowd to boredom while they wait ;~D
159 posted on 03/14/2002 7:21:57 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MozartLover
Thanks for this lovely thing. So romantic.
160 posted on 03/14/2002 7:22:44 PM PST by redhead
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