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1 posted on 05/01/2026 8:56:03 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

PinGGG!....................


2 posted on 05/01/2026 8:56:28 PM PDT by Red Badger (Iryna Zarutska, May 22, 2002 Kyiv, Ukraine – August 22, 2025 Charlotte, North Carolina Say her name)
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To: Red Badger

“Mohammad is King”?


3 posted on 05/01/2026 9:02:58 PM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: Red Badger

On to Linear B..


4 posted on 05/01/2026 9:03:56 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (available monkeys looking for the change..)
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To: Red Badger

“Be sure to drink your....”


5 posted on 05/01/2026 9:04:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Red Badger
Noted that he referenced Iranian history instead of Persian history.

I would guess that this is due to entering Iran post 1979 and not upsetting the nuts that allowed him to enter Iran.

6 posted on 05/01/2026 9:10:30 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Red Badger

I really hold to the Elamo-Dravidian linguistic theory that Elamite is a related language to the Dravidian languages of the Indian subcontinent.

Eelam means a homeland in Tamil, the most ancient Dravidian tongue. And bother Dravidian languages (Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, Tulu) and Elamite were agglutination languages as was Sumerian and as are the Kartvelian languages like “Georgian”. This would signify a group of agglutinative language speakers probably originating in the Zagros mountains who took agricultural practices invented in that area around 8000 BC and took them east to the indus valley civilization and west as far as Basque country, which is also an agglutinative language


10 posted on 05/01/2026 9:41:30 PM PDT by Cronos (Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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To: Red Badger

Very interesting. Thanks.


11 posted on 05/01/2026 10:21:29 PM PDT by mairdie
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To: Red Badger

BTTT


12 posted on 05/01/2026 10:28:04 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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15 posted on 05/01/2026 11:39:45 PM PDT by Tellurian (Any cleverness from a DemonicRat is quickly invested in deception. Ds are world class deceivers.)
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Claude is sometimes good at finding patterns in images of ancient writing, so I submitted the article and the two images above to Claude. Here's the conversation [Claude is sometimes very good at analyzing images but still makes mistakes, so keep that in mind]:

Me:

Here are the images from the article. What can you tell me about these writings from your familiarity with other writings from that era and area?
Claude:

These are fascinating to look at closely. Let me share observations on both:

Image 1 (the stone wall inscription) appears to be a bilingual or dual-format inscription — you can see a clear vertical dividing line separating two distinct sections. The left side has longer, more flowing linear strokes arranged in horizontal rows, while the right side is organized into a more rigid grid pattern with individual cells — almost like a table or ledger format. That structural difference within the same artifact is itself significant, possibly indicating Linear Elamite alongside cuneiform, which would be exactly the kind of bilingual key Desset needed.

Image 2 (the clay tablet on a stand) is heavily cracked but shows the characteristic Linear Elamite symbols clearly — you can pick out what look like geometric forms: X shapes, cross/plus symbols, semicircles, triangles, and what appear to be stylized human or animal figures in the lower registers. The dots punched into the surface may be numerical notation.

What's recognizable across both: The symbols have a surprisingly consistent visual vocabulary — angular geometric forms, repeated motifs, clear horizontal line organization. Nothing that maps to any alphabet you'd recognize, but the structural logic — consistent symbol size, clear directionality, organized rows — signals a mature, developed writing system rather than proto-writing or pictographs.

The tablet in Image 2 particularly shows what looks like narrative or accounting content in its lower rows — the figures seem more pictographic there, which might represent an earlier or more formal register of the script.

    

Me:

Elaborate on any patterns, themes, or potential uses intended by the writings (i.e., story narrative or personal letter or an accounting record)?
Claude

Let me look carefully at both artifacts with fresh eyes.

Image 2 (the clay tablet) — strongest read:

This one gives the most structural clues. The organization strongly suggests administrative or accounting use rather than narrative:

This reads most like a temple or palace inventory/receipt — exactly the kind of document Bronze Age administrative centers produced by the thousands.

Image 1 (the wall inscription) — different category entirely:

This feels like something more monumental and declarative:

The broader pattern:

What's striking is that both artifacts fit perfectly into what we know from contemporary Mesopotamian civilization next door — the Sumerians and Akkadians were producing exactly these two document types simultaneously: clay tablets for daily administration, stone inscriptions for royal monuments. The Elamites appear to have mirrored that institutional structure with their own indigenous script.

So the honest synthesis is: accounting and royal proclamation — the two things every Bronze Age state needed to record. Not literature, not personal correspondence. Governance and inventory.

That actually raises the tantalizing question of whether, once fully translated, Linear Elamite might reveal trade records connecting Elam to the Indus Valley civilization — a commercial relationship archaeologists know existed but have very limited textual evidence for.

Me:
What do the recursive elements or patterns in the writings tell us (if anything)?
Claude

Yes — looking carefully at both images, several patterns emerge that are analytically interesting:

Recurring Symbol Units

Across both artifacts you can identify what appear to be the same symbols appearing repeatedly in different combinations — suggesting a syllabic or consonantal system rather than pure pictography. Specifically:

Compositional Logic

Symbol Complexity Gradient

This is perhaps the most intriguing pattern:

Bilateral Symmetry as a Design Principle

Several individual symbols appear to be mirror constructions — a form and its reflection combined into one sign. This is unusual and distinctive. It could indicate:

What's Notably Absent

As important as what's there is what isn't:

Bottom Line Assessment

The patterns collectively reinforce the administrative/accounting interpretation, but with one refinement worth noting. The recurring symmetrical symbols and the monumental stone context of Image 1 suggest that artifact at minimum has a dedicatory or formulaic religious header — a standardized invocation to a deity before the administrative content. That was nearly universal in Bronze Age Near Eastern documents of any importance.

It would not surprise me at all if Image 1 reads something like: "By the grace of [deity name], [king's name] caused this to be recorded — [inventory or decree follows]."

That formula appears in virtually every contemporary culture across the ancient Near East. The Elamites almost certainly had their own version.


17 posted on 05/01/2026 11:51:40 PM PDT by RoosterRedux ( )
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The headline tells ne this obscure language has been "decoded," that the good Dr. Desset has done it! The article shows me lots of inscriptions and tells me all about their history. OK. Where he went. Uh huh. How he found more samples. Good, what do the inscriptions say? How he found the key. So, what do they say?

It's "decoded," right? Is it a list of military conquests? An inventory? Prayers? Porn? O, but he has the name of a potentate nobody's ever heard of! It's a breakthrough.

I see.

25 posted on 05/02/2026 5:44:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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So we can finally communicate with character actor Jack Elam?


32 posted on 05/02/2026 10:35:55 PM PDT by x
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Drink more Ovaltine.


35 posted on 05/03/2026 4:50:48 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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