Solid-State Batteries Are FINALLY Here - Investigation

https://youtu.be/O8PjlwZVLVE ^

[BereanBrain]

Times, they are a changing....Reminber i told you so...

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KEYWORDS: ev; fakenews; firetraps; reminber; solidstatebatteries; solidstatebattery

[brookwood]

A capacitor is a solid state battery. I will use one in the flying car I have that is also a submarine.

[Reily]

Sure you can Congress can pass legislation!

[ComputerGuy]

One day last year, I was in heavy bumper-to-bumper traffic.
You would sit still for a few minutes and then go forward for a few feet.
It was an unusually warm day. All the cars had their windows rolled up and the AC running.
Except the two Teslas that I saw. They had their windows rolled down.

[brookwood]

I never scoffed at hybrids except that the Prius and all small cars are death traps in an accident. Here they cite the “complexity” but as Monty Python said, “it’s a simple matter of weight ratios”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/28/hybrid-car-death-rates-three-times-higher-than-petrol/?AutomotiveVentures&msockid=39d8ad40b4f562b72a33b876b59263c5

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=it%27s+a+simple+matter+of+weight+ratios&cvid=b7e497bab7734ae9a7cd21d9f16e28c4&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQDIGCAQQABhA0gEINTk2MWowajSoAgCwAgA&PC=HCTS&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dit%2527s%2ba%2bsimple%2bmatter%2bof%2bweight%2bratios%26cvid%3db7e497bab7734ae9a7cd21d9f16e28c4%26gs_lcrp%3dEgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQDIGCAQQABhA0gEINTk2MWowajSoAgCwAgA%26FORM%3dANAB01%26PC%3dHCTS&mmscn=vwrc&mid=2AD015D0ED8B5B17B9862AD015D0ED8B5B17B986&FORM=WRVORC&ntb=1&msockid=97f6707dee4f11f0b55968a083538003

[willk]

Love my Teslas, but we’re still gonna need fossil fuels for the electricity.

[iamgalt]

+1. I hate the filthy rats trying use regulations to force us into EV’s.

[brookwood]

“Where can I buy one and for how much?”
You can’t “buy” them, you can fork over money to a scammer and wait until they are forced to declare bankruptcy and you get zilch.

[BereanBrain]

for ICE vs EV, the claims, if true would astounding.
Essentially in an area the size of a large gas tank, enough power to go 500-600 miles. Of course you could build a 1000 mile car...
100,000 charge cycle life (i.e. will outlast many car body lives). That’s like 20M miles.
Made from non rare-earth material.
11C charging - so basically 0 to 100% in 5-10 minutes.
No combustibility issues.
Cheaper than Lithium batteries. Maybe not cheaper than were Sodium batteries will be in a year

The basic Physics imply that it’s not at the limit of energy density.

For comparison, that 400WH/KG. (lithium is ~ 220-280 now)

[ProtectOurFreedom]

You will need 1” copper conductor wires to deliver that much energy to the battery.

[miniTAX]

Hold my beer, I am “charging” my combustion engine car at the fuel station in 2 minutes.
This is power-equivalent to 10 MW charge, if this means anything to you. But I doubt it since you are barely literate.

[BereanBrain]

If somebody tried to regulate you into trading in your horse in 1910 for a auto, would you still be mad?

May the best technology win. Times (and best choices) change.

Don’t think with emotions - look at value propositions...Don’t buy an EV unless it makes economic sense for you.

What part of the article I posted included any “regulation” or “save the world” crap? NONE.

[dznutz]

After recent failures, the industry has to keep EV’s in the public eye. They don’t want to lose the suckers who breathlessly boost the unreliable technology, so something like this vague, mysterious donut technology gives them some hope and keeps the suckers on the line. There still is a long way to go to outdo internal combustion powered vehicles, and the public is adverse to having crap shoved down their throats, so the industry has to put up or shut up.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Video Transcript Summary

Donut Lab, a Finnish (with Estonian ties via Verge Motorcycles) technology company, made headlines at CES 2026 by announcing what they claim is the world's first all-solid-state battery ready for production vehicles.

This breakthrough is being deployed in the 2026 Verge TS Pro (and Ultra) electric motorcycle, with customer deliveries starting in Q1 2026 (already underway as of January 10, 2026).Key Claims from Donut LabThe battery is described as a true all-solid-state (no liquid electrolyte), offering:

• Energy density: 400 Wh/kg at the cell level (significantly higher than typical lithium-ion NMC packs ~280 Wh/kg).
• Charging: Full charge in as little as 5 minutes (up to 12C rate), though real-world application in the Verge bike is more conservative at under 10 minutes for a substantial range add (e.g., ~186 miles/300 km in 10 minutes at 200 kW).
• Cycle life: Up to 100,000 cycles with minimal degradation (allowing near-daily full 100% charging without worry).
• Safety: No thermal runaway, fire risk, or dendrite issues; non-flammable, puncture-resistant, and stable from -30°C to over 100°C (retaining >99% capacity).
• Materials & cost: Uses abundant, low-cost, geopolitically secure materials (no lithium, nickel, or cobalt); claimed price parity (or lower) with current lithium-ion from day one.
• Other perks: High power density, flexible form factors (pouch cells ~125 Wh each), and suitability for EVs, motorcycles, drones, grid storage, etc.

In the Verge TS Pro:

• Standard pack (~20.2 kWh): ~217 miles range.
• Extended pack (~33.3 kWh): Up to ~370 miles (600 km) range.
• Pricing remains similar to prior models (~$29,900–$34,900 depending on config), despite the upgrade.
• The bike also features the updated "Donut 2.0" hubless in-wheel motor.

The company (small team, ~60-70 people) emphasizes secrecy for IP protection until production readiness, with third-party validations underway (some redacted public data expected soon).

They plan to manufacture in-house (partnering with facilities in Finland), scaling from ~1 GWh/year to 10-20 GWh soon, without licensing.Skepticism and ContextThe video (from "2-Bit Da Vinci") balances excitement with healthy skepticism — solid-state batteries have been "5 years away" for 15+ years, and these claims are extraordinary (no trade-offs, better in every metric).

The creator met the team/CTO Ville Piippo, saw demos (e.g., fast-charging video), but notes limited details on chemistry/manufacturing.Some theories (including in the transcript) suggest it might resemble pseudocapacitor or hybrid supercap tech (e.g., carbon nanotube/polyaniline composites from 2025 Korean research achieving ~418 Wh/kg and 100,000+ cycles).

This could explain the fast charging, extreme cycles, wide temp range, and non-lithium materials — but true solid-state batteries typically face interface/dendrite challenges that this appears to sidestep.

No public patents/papers yet, and some online discussions question if it's truly revolutionary or a rebranded advanced capacitor-like system.Independent sources (press releases, articles from InsideEVs, Interesting Engineering, Electrek, etc.) confirm the announcement and claims, with the Verge bike as the first real-world test case.

If deliveries proceed as planned and third-party teardowns validate, this could indeed be a game-changer — but the industry awaits more proof.Overall, it's an exciting (and bold) step forward in EV tech, but skepticism is warranted until more independent verification emerges.

The Verge TS Pro is available to order now, making this one of the most immediate "solid-state" applications on the market.

Stay tuned for updates as real-world performance data rolls in!

[miniTAX]

“Verge Motorcycles”, a fit name for customers willing to be shafted.

[WhoisAlanGreenspan?]

Good point, good post. I haven't seen the power grid work up you mentioned, but I'd love to.

Need to remember watt hours or energy over time, trumps all. The more you get into batteries that can last a year on a five minute charge, the more massive the conductors need to be to handle that power.

[maddog55]

EVs suck period... I wouldn’t buy one if the battery never lost it’s charge.

[dfwgator]

I think it’s all a means to eventually ration peoples driving, and ultimately banning personal transportation for all but the elite.

[BereanBrain]

I have 2 degrees in science.

We have poured 100 years of innovation into gasoline engines and are approaching the end of efficiency improvements. We are just beginning to get to efficient electrical energy storage. In that i mean what physics tells us is possible.

But, if you want to hang around the gas station drinking beer, go right ahead.
My car charges overnight. I never visit gas stations, unless I am driving my Mustang GT. (350 mile range).

[eastexsteve]

EVs will soon be the mainstream. However, unless somebody shoots Elon Musk in the head, Detroit-built EVs will continue to be way behind the technology curve.

[so_real]

I'm skeptical. It sounds like a magic battery was built in Estonia. But, if it's real ... I will happily rethink my position on electric vehicles. :-) Will watch and see.