Well...
Everything is "unprecedented" if you make the time horizon short enough. 
-PJ
Posted on 10/30/2025 2:41:52 AM PDT by RandFan
Q: Why is President Trump going after Thomas Massie?
JD VANCE: It's one thing to disagree with the party on an issue...voting against the party on *EVERY single issue*? Every time we've needed Thomas for a vote, he's been completely unwilling to provide it. That's why Trump turned his ire on Massie. We could never count on him for some of the most difficult votes. I say that as someone who knew Thomas well before I got into politics.
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Attacking Massie sets a tone that warns others to stick together on tight votes,
Democrats can depend on him…. So thats not good
I wonder why you are even allowed to post here. Perhaps you pay a tax.
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He steps up for China and the squad every time.
He also was complimentary of Chris Wray in the Maralago raid hearings.
And he enabled Biden to spend Woke Trillions.
Did you see where Massie’s money is from out of state?
NY and California
Idealism is a scam he tried to hide behind.
He is for Democrat initiatives and China’s interests.
What do you expect? Either randfan didn’t read the article, or he lied. Nothing new here. I call them ‘mental masturbation’ group: so long it feels good for them, whether they are correct or not doesn’t matter.
Well, now, you are just plain lying. Isn’t there a Trump-hating blog out there you would feel more comfortable with?
This question is a little bit more complicated than you might think, because there are different was to exert influence on a member of Congress.
To your direct question, President Trump has been the only President to overtly threaten members with primary challengers: Reps. Thomas Massie and Chip Roy, and Sen. Thom Tillis.
Obama, not directly but through labor unions, threatened some Democrats with primary challenges over trade votes.
More likely, the pressure comes from Congressional leadership.
John Boehner stripped committee assignments from Reps. Tim Huelskamp, Justin Amash, David Schweikert, and Walter Jones, for voting against party leadership on key votes, including opposing Paul Ryan's budget proposal in committee and the 2011 debt ceiling deal.
Boehner later stripped committee assignments from Reps. Daniel Webster and Richard Nugent for opposing his reelection as Speaker.
In 2019, Nancy Pelosi blocked the seating of Rep. Kathleen Rice on Judiciary Committee after voting against Pelosi for Speaker. But otherwise, Pelosi used more "private" measures to control her caucus.
In 1938, FDR actively campaigned against 13 Democrats - 10 senators and 3 House members - in their primaries for opposing his New Deal proposal. Only two of FDR's 13 candidates eventually won their races.
In the Senate, party control is handled much differently. Party leadership controls the disbursement of funds from the DCCC and NRCC PACs (the respective party's campaign committees), funding preferred candidates and withholding funding from disfavored candidates.
For example, Mitch McConnell had a long history of not supporting conservative/Tea Party candidates, or people he thought wouldn't blindly support him, including:
-PJ
. . . and most instances involved Massie voting “no” on spending, defense, or foreign policy bills supported by GOP leadership and/or Trump.
“...conservative’s majority.”
There is no such thing as a “conservative’s majority” else we wouldn’t have a $50 trillion debt (and growing by $70,000 per second) by the end of the decade at the current rate. This debt is a direct result of the loosely labelled ‘uniparty’ as they haven’t met a debt limit they liked since we were born.
It would appear that Massie is floating around being an absolute purist and a democrat as we know them today, a immiscible combo if you will. The major problem we face isn’t Massie per se, it is the GOPe/uniparty and how to kill it to become a more conservative party.
But for a president to do this is unprecedented!
The phrase was not a defense but a descriptive term to show how Massie is a rogue agent for chaos, not effective change.
I want way more chopped and the budget balanced even if it is extreme, I also realize more than not will not support such measures so we go with the best we can get.
No. Did you see the section on FDR? He opposed 13 Democrats and campaigned against them all.
So far, President Trump has only threatened three Republicans: Tillis is retiring in the Senate, Roy is running for Attorney General in Texas, and Massie is still running for reelection.
-PJ
No I missed it having just glanced over but thank you
1938 is a long time ago now. I did say “in modern times”. It’s certainly peculiar
Trump has hated Massie for YEARS because he wanted a recorded vote on the COVID furlough, a 2.2 trillion spending package. Its been downhill since then.
Massie got tons of outside donations after Trump’s team announced that they wanted to get someone to challenge him in a primary. He never attracted much outside money before that — mainly because he didn’t need it. He had been a sideshow clown in Congress for as long as he’s been there.
Well...
Everything is "unprecedented" if you make the time horizon short enough.
-PJ
AI - isn’t it great?
I asked AI an NEC Code question a couple of days ago and it gave me an answer - then I “dug deeper” and got the opposite answer.
Go figure.
As for the budget votes, he's philosophically right, but we're long past the point of no return.
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