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State of the Software Engineering Jobs Market, 2025: What Hiring Managers See
THE PRAGMATIC ENGINEER ^ | Oct 07, 2025 | Gergely Orosz

Posted on 10/07/2025 4:01:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 10/07/2025 4:01:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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the majority can easily be tested and punted


2 posted on 10/07/2025 4:08:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: nickcarraway

Matches my experience posting a job for full stack developer. 600 applications, most of whom weren’t qualified. 2/3 of the remainder lied on their resumes.

I’ve never seen this in 40 years of hiring and building dev teams.


3 posted on 10/07/2025 4:34:32 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: nickcarraway

I feel very thankful to have caught the IT wave back in the late 80s. I took it for granted back then and now realize how fortunate I was.


4 posted on 10/07/2025 4:39:57 PM PDT by JZelle
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A bunch of gobbledygook .


5 posted on 10/07/2025 4:45:17 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: nickcarraway
Another visible trend is that hiring managers are taking their time to find the “right” person, and don’t settle for candidates who don’t check all the boxes.

You could hire someone who knows how to learn. You could mentor. You could groom. You could train. Find someone who is 80% of what you are looking for and then get them up to 100%. No? That's not in the budget? You require absolute perfection right out of the gate? Well, it might be hard to find that person. And it's only going to get harder.

6 posted on 10/07/2025 4:49:21 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Democrats seek power through cheating and assassination. They are sociopaths. They just want power.)
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I checked out when 3 or 4 guys asked me how I could produce a query, based upon part no. that had 2 tables which had, a master file table mind you, which had different attributes of the same component. Is that an inner our outer table join?


7 posted on 10/07/2025 5:36:09 PM PDT by kawhill ("I'm going to miss your stories, Robert. You have your own ones now.")
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oh hai there, Little Bobby Tables :)


8 posted on 10/07/2025 5:42:36 PM PDT by HonkyTonkMan ( )
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You could...

You have touched a very important topic. Computer companies did train employees in the 60s and 70s; and, their internal schools were top notch. The semiconductor industry also trained engineers in the use of their products, particularly for the more esoteric devices like bit-slice elements and register files and such.

Companies would be surprised at how effective those programs would be.

9 posted on 10/07/2025 5:42:37 PM PDT by GingisK
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I forgot to include in my last post that I had magnificent mentors. One used to work at Bell Labs. One was from Lockheed Aerospace. I even had very quality mentoring from one of “Grace’s Girls”. The best tutor during my undergraduate studies was an IBM CE; and, he was trained at a number of IBM schools.


10 posted on 10/07/2025 5:48:06 PM PDT by GingisK
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I even had very quality mentoring from one of “Grace’s Girls”.

I am duly imporessed.

11 posted on 10/07/2025 5:56:02 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Hiring managers and companies have been total asshoes for going on 20 years.

It’s no wonder developers are grasping at straws.


12 posted on 10/07/2025 5:58:58 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: GingisK

Grace herself once handed my father a length of wire (about 10 inches long) saying that it represented a billionth of a second of electronic transmission.


13 posted on 10/07/2025 6:32:56 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: MV=PY

A dueling game of bots talking to bots.


14 posted on 10/07/2025 6:40:51 PM PDT by glorgau
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Please mail in your resume using $10 in postage.

Watch the problem of too many obviously unqualified applicants disappear.


15 posted on 10/07/2025 7:04:17 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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>> “Young people are using ChatGPT to write their applications; HR is using AI to read them; no one is getting hired”.

LOL


16 posted on 10/07/2025 7:12:16 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
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The referred and recruited have long been preferred over unsolicited and ad-responding applicants.

But an increasingly national or even international job market, with tech making ever more applications possible, makes the raw numbers climb. Reminds me of applications to college. The easier it became to submit many applications, the more applicants per slot were reported. Still the same number of total applicants and slots, but the numbers got juiced all around.


17 posted on 10/07/2025 7:14:48 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Yes, it’s insane. I’ve seen listings demanding people have 10 years experience with a technology that’s only 5 years old. It COULD be a trick to make sure you KNOW that it’s only 5 years old, but these “I demand everything” listings are quite popular.


18 posted on 10/07/2025 8:55:32 PM PDT by FrankRizzo890
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I believe this ties into something important. If all these people are looking for work, WHY DO WE NEED H1-Bs? *SURELY* there’s SOMEONE qualified for each of these positions in the flood of candidates.


19 posted on 10/07/2025 8:58:03 PM PDT by FrankRizzo890
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To: JZelle
Same here, but I got into IT at the beginning of the 80s.

-PJ

20 posted on 10/07/2025 9:28:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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