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Trump ‘Determined’ the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told
The New York Times ^ | Oct. 2, 2025, 12:26 p.m. ET | Charlie Savage and Eric Schmitt

Posted on 10/02/2025 10:39:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

A notice calls the people the U.S. military recently killed on suspicion of drug smuggling in the Caribbean Sea “unlawful combatants.”

President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week.

The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times. It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts.

Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities” — the standard for when there is an armed conflict for legal purposes — against the United States because selling a dangerous product is different than an armed attack. Noting that it is illegal for the military to deliberately target civilians who are not directly participating in hostilities — even suspected criminals — Mr. Corn called the president’s move an “abuse” that crossed a major legal line.

“This is not stretching the envelope,” he said. “This is shredding it. This is tearing it apart.”

The White House did not...

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Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer....

They had to dig deep to exhume this guy for his "Orange Man Bad" proclamation.

1 posted on 10/02/2025 10:39:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
the Army’s [former] senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities”

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Poisoning large numbers of people is about as hostile as you can get.

2 posted on 10/02/2025 10:45:54 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He says all they’re doing is selling a dangerous product. In the opinion of that ass clown he sounds like he thinks they should be referred to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. I guess the assault rifle guys are just their security department. Damn fool.


3 posted on 10/02/2025 10:47:13 AM PDT by DesertRhino (When men on the chessboard, get up and tell you where to go…)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Leadership. HOORAY President Trump!


4 posted on 10/02/2025 10:52:03 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sounds like Trump actually knows what “war on drugs” actually means.👍


5 posted on 10/02/2025 10:57:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf (2024 is going to be one for the history books, like 1939. And 2025 will be more so, like 1940-1945.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Killling over 295,000 Americans for profit isn’t a “thinly articulated legal rationale.” it’s the reason government exists in the first place.


6 posted on 10/02/2025 10:57:37 AM PDT by Salvavida
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To: Starboard

Could be he is on the board of some companies heavily involved in products that make up “Standard American Diet, aka SAD”. You can understand then that raising the alarm about poisoning large numbers of people would be against his best interests.


7 posted on 10/02/2025 11:21:47 AM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I hate to be a downer, but unless something changes demand for drugs, we are playing whack-a-mole again.

Yes, the cartels are incredibly evil.

I was putting soldiers in Leavenworth for dealing and zipping ODs into body bags fifty years ago. In my state booze is cheap and weed is everywhere, but they are still using meth and fentanyl.

I don’t have a good answer.


8 posted on 10/02/2025 11:21:49 AM PDT by darth
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I don’t have a good answer.

Free fentanyl for all and let Darwin sort it out.

Only half-joking.

9 posted on 10/02/2025 11:25:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Je suis Charlie Kirk.)
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Until 1915 you could buy Laudanum, morphine, legally.

We had over 5 million addicts, mostly women.

Making it illegal did not solve the problem.

I would favor putting homeless addicts in a shelter where they would receive free drugs from medical professionals. Fewer ODs and street crime.

Rehab would be available to any at any time.

It’s sad that so many have chosen such an existence.

Flame away!


10 posted on 10/02/2025 11:38:56 AM PDT by darth
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Charlie Schmitt is a putz of epic proportions.


11 posted on 10/02/2025 11:46:39 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Gary Gilmore the POS who murdered Charlie Kirk!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Wonder how many deals were made when Biden & Co. were in business??.

People in dark places have a lot of connections with people in high places.


12 posted on 10/02/2025 11:46:44 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The so-called war on drugs has always been a joke no matter what administration was in power.

The Narcos shows on Netflix although fiction documented the reality of the heavily tax payer funded charade.

And it also documented the CIA as an impediment as well as the “bad guys” which was credible as it is difficult to find many instances at least in our southern hemisphere where the CIA weren’t the “bad guys”.

Now of course China has become a player.

Trump is more serious than past Presidents as war is a term he takes seriously and is not a marketing buzz word as his latest actions make clear.

Looks like he truly means to be the “drug czar”, a term that meant virtually nothing in past administrations.


13 posted on 10/02/2025 12:05:51 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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“selling a dangerous product is different than an armed attack”

Only when you are legally making, selling, and shiiping a dangerous product.

When you are violating the law to do these things, you are attacking others. There also isn’t a drug cartel out there that isn’t armed and won’t kill to sell their product.


14 posted on 10/02/2025 12:11:25 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Biblebelter

“Snowfall” more or less documented the role of the CIA/Contras in the creation of crack cocaine.


15 posted on 10/02/2025 12:15:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Je suis Charlie Kirk.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Cartels have been waging war on and in the U.S. for a very long time. It’s about time the government awakened to that fact.


16 posted on 10/02/2025 12:25:04 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: Starboard
Ask any educated Mexican if their government is at war with the drug cartels. They will tell you that if they can't buy you off, then they are. Farmers are killed for refusing to grow narcotic crops for the cartels and political candidates and officials alike are assassinated for refusing to cooperate with them.

As a Mexican co-worker told me 'don't think that it is so much different in your country.'

17 posted on 10/02/2025 1:36:28 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys many aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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One thing about corruption is that it flourishes in the fertile ground inside of big bureaucracies and powerful governmental control structures. In short, the bigger government gets the more opportunities there are for corruption, which explains why so many politicians continually vote to expand it.

Your Mexican colleague gets it.


18 posted on 10/02/2025 1:48:34 PM PDT by Starboard
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