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The Garden Thread - September, 2025
September 1, 2025 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 09/01/2025 4:39:33 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The MONTHLY Gardening Thread is a gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table Recipes, Preserving, Good Living - there is no telling where it will go - and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us! Send a Private Message to Diana in Wisconsin if you'd like to be added to/removed from our New & Improved Ping List.

NOTE: This is a once a MONTH Ping List, but we DO post to the thread all throughout the month. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest to Gardeners are welcomed any time.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Hobbies
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To: Qiviut

Really cool map! Thanks for sharing that!

Where I live, peak will start happening in late October, right about the time we get back from our annual beach vacation.

The only tree we have in our front yard is a tulip poplar. It drops leaves daily already. I use the blower on the driveway, the walkway, and our deck and stairs to the backyard daily. Autumn is a beautiful season, but I have plenty of work every year with the leaves around here.

The prevailing winds bring all my neighbors’ leaves into my yard. Raking has become my least favorite outdoor chore. Still, I am grateful that we live on a beautiful piece of property with the best of both worlds, great neighbors in the front, and wildlife and privacy in the back.


721 posted on 09/28/2025 8:23:11 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Qiviut

I finally learned to use mostly oak with maybe 1/4 hickory when I BBQ, grill, or smoke meat. More hickory is just too much “hickory smoke flavor”! Sometimes I have a little apple or plum to throw in, but, our old apple tree is about 90% dead now, so, I’ll have plenty wood from it for a few years, then none, I suspect. The old plum tree gave up the ghost last year. We have 3 plum saplings, but I’ll get nothing from them for quite a long time - likely longer than I’ll still be BBQ’ing. :-(


722 posted on 09/28/2025 9:39:23 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Paul R.

We had a high of 87 deg. F today, but the dewpoints are only in the upper 50’s, so, it’s not been uncomfortable if I avoid long periods in direct sun. 40 degree temperature swings between early a.m. and mid-afternoon — it’s almost like being in the desert Southwest in early spring or late fall. We’ve just about dried out the rains of last week, so, I’ll have to start watering again. Many of the tomato plants are doing well, though: My mid-summer transplants of Cherry Falls tomato plants are still producing, the Better Boys have a few fruits ripening, the Romas are still producing like mad, the Golden Jubilees (I think) from seed should finally be ripening soon, in very good numbers, the HeatWave II that got eaten down to one leaf left is actually going to crank out 3 or 4 fruits, it appears, the Abe Lincoln’s** are steadily producing at a moderate rate now, the Independence Day plants have several green fruits coming along nicely, so does the “Early Treat”, and the Mortgage Lifters fruits are all still green and growing slowly - hopefully maturity will come B4 frost! There are several green tomatoes and one presently green-yellow on the Lemon Boys, and my “mystery volunteer” tomato plant is doing very well, with several fruits almost ready to pick, and a few green fruits still developing. I’m going to be swamped with (really late) tomatoes if the warm weather holds up well until mid-October. The Ichiban eggplants continue to successfully crank out a few fruits until maturity, though the “regular” eggplants have been doing very so-so. My wife’s lemongrass is doing great, so are her malungai(sp?), and her little “lemonsito” “tree” (more like a small bush) is finally flowering - like crazy! The fragrance is sort of “sweet lemony” and carries a long way, bringing in many pollinators — I’m hopeful they will benefit other plants too. The Opo plant has produced 3 fruits*, two of which are ~ 1/4” shy of 20 inches long. The fruits have stopped growing, so, it’s time to harvest them if we want to use them to eat: I cut down one so far, and it weighs 6 lb., 3 oz. Used B4 the skin toughens up, over half should be edible.

*A 4th fruit has set, but it’s only about 3” long, and I don’t know if it will develop further or not. The entire plant has slowed greatly, perhaps from putting its energy into the fruits. It appears to be growing under 1” a day @ present. The pepper plants all seem healthy, but production seems to be proportional with heat, with the Thai peppers doing best, and the sweet peppers poorest. Once our high temperatures drop back to the low 80’s, I’ll try moving the pepper plants to more sun: With sun angles getting so low, and days short, I’m thinking “partial sun” as opposed to “mostly shade” will benefit them.

I finally ate a fruit off the “Mystery Volunteer” (my name for it) tomato plant, yesterday: It’s rather mild, but not completely “blah” tasting, and has a hint of sweetness. It’s not my favorite, but it’s better than Romas, better than the Heatwave II’s, better than most store-bought tomatoes, and should be fine anywhere one might use a Roma. The fruits are numerous and so far, all darn near perfect, around 2-1/2” diameter, with no splitting. Definitely, it’ll be worth collecting some seeds. I’ll test a fruit for shelf (counter-top) life: If good, these would be excellent for giving away.

**Strangely, the (for me) hard-to-get-started Abe Lincolns produced sooner than the supposedly much earlier maturing Early Treat plant (only one survived our sodden early summer) or the Independence Day plants, both varieties taking until now to be close to producing harvestable fruits. The Abe Lincoln’s seem “medium” in all respects: the fruits have been ~2” diameter, they seem to be both medium sweet and medium tart, they’ve been fairly split resistant (but not great), and they have been consistent / steady if moderate producers. That’s really a pretty good set of properties, so I’ll save some seeds from those, too.

2 last observations tonight about tomato plants: The Bonnies’ “Golden Jubilee” plants still going continue to produce fruits that are to me, indistinguishable from the Cherry Falls that I grew from seed. Both also seem to tend to produce only a couple rounds of fruits, doing so fairly quickly, then peter out (and some plants die), so, staggered transplanting from small (up to 4”) starter pots definitely seems to work best. And, strangely, the tomato plants that seem to do best “held back” in small starter pots have been the Mortgage Lifters. They just sit there, not growing much, but also not dying off after a while. It’s almost as if they are little Bonsai plants, when kept in small pots. Then transferred to large pots or into the ground, they are slow to “take off”, but eventually at least some do. My biggest (and transplanted early on) Mortgage Lifter may be close to 10’ tall now. I guess we’ll see how big those still very green slow growing fruits get. So far, the biggest are only about 3-1/2” diameter. Hopefully, the warm but not hot weather predicted the next several days will speed them up.


723 posted on 09/28/2025 11:56:00 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Qiviut

That is a cool website, will be sharing. Thanks.


724 posted on 09/29/2025 3:01:51 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: Paul R.

Nice report Paul, especially on the tomato varieties. What state are you in?


725 posted on 09/29/2025 3:04:38 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: FamiliarFace

Pictures, once you have it the way you want it, Please! :)


726 posted on 09/29/2025 5:35:15 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Qiviut

727 posted on 09/29/2025 5:40:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: MomwithHope

You’re right - ‘Sabelka’ The ‘Soldaki’ were eaten by chipmunks when still seedlings. Grrr!


728 posted on 09/29/2025 5:42:41 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Pollard

That relish sounds like a lot of chopping - but it also sounds really good!

I made Jalapeno Pickle Relish this year; I’m really liking it!


729 posted on 09/29/2025 5:44:18 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Qiviut

That is a really neat map! We have a long was to go up here - and with it so dry, I’m not sure WHAT the trees will do this season.

Nothing but HOT (high 80’s) and DRY for me until a week past tomorrow - then MAYBE some rain. I still haven’t mowed - I’m just ignoring it, and Beau says I’m not to mow past October 1st anyway, so I may be done for the season.

I have company coming the 23rd of October, so I have between now and then to get more work/cleaning done in the garden, but am waiting for cooler weather.

The ‘company’ is my Great Aunt Alice whose farm I stayed on during the summers as a kid. So many fond memories! She’s 90 this year and still sharp as a tack. She’s the one (along with my Grandma Anita) that instilled my love of gardening and farming and animals. Alice and her husband Don had the first ‘Organically Certified’ farm in Wisconsin. He was always cutting edge. ;) (Don is 92!)


730 posted on 09/29/2025 5:53:34 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

LOL - going to share with a bunch of ladies .... the pastor calls the church potluck cooks the “Kitchen Angels”.

I wish it was a 9x13 in the picture, don’t know of a 9x14 size.


731 posted on 09/29/2025 6:04:03 AM PDT by Qiviut (A Mighty Fortress: “...the body they may kill. God’s truth abideth still. His kingdom is forever")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

LOL I’ve got one of those in my charity pile to take to the donation center. I have a smaller one I am keeping.


732 posted on 09/29/2025 6:08:35 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Sounds like a lovely visit from Aunt Alice coming up.
I just spent an hour picking the last of the pawpaws. I am pretty sure. Total for the year -— drum roll -— 202. About 7 1/2 times greater than our best year, last year 27.


733 posted on 09/29/2025 8:23:02 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: MomwithHope

Splendid! I love hearing about your pawpaws!


734 posted on 09/29/2025 10:37:34 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Pleasantly mild and mostly dry here in Central Missouri this past week. We did see a bit of rainfall - 1.2” spread out over three showers - not even enough to close up the cracks in the ground.

I made a quick trip down to Osage Beach Saturday morning to fetch #1 Marine Daughter’s golf cart from the crash house. After I got home my buddy Nick stopped by with his extensible fruit picker pole/basket thingy. That is a handy tool - no need to fight with the tree while trying not to die from a fall off the ladder. Nick went home with a bushel of apples, half a bushel of pears, close to a bushel of tomatoes, and a couple gallons of peppers.

I worked up a five gallon bucket full of the pears yesterday morning, gave them a good stewing, ran them through the food processor, transferred the mess to the slow cooker, then tossed it in the fridge overnight. I’ll get that cooked down and canned over the next day or three.

Yesterday I got what will probably be the last picking of pole beans for this season. The greens that I planted in the raised beds a couple weeks back are looking good. I was a little late getting that done but they might make something. Still need to sow spinach seed in the greenhouse beds. Maybe after work today.

Lots of ruckus in the house yard today - I’ve got a tree crew on site taking down a few dead ones before they fall on something I care about and while it’s still safe to work on them. Shredding/haul off was going to more than double the cost of the work so Mrs. Augie and I will deal with the clean-up ourselves.

Today is Mrs. Augie’s last day of full-time employment with the VA hospital system. Tomorrow is her out-processing, but it won’t be a FULL out-processing. One of the docs that she worked for in the research office years ago caught wind that she was retiring and offered her 10hrs/week as a study coordinator. She wasn’t really planning on anything but taking a break for awhile, but the offer was too good to pass up and because she’s already a Department of War employee there won’t be any need to do all of the in-processing paperwork that would otherwise be required if she took a break and came back as a what would amount to a new hire. And now she’s not stressed from worrying about whether or not she’ll have enough play money after she retires.

Howard has been steadily improving as a dog. He only got in trouble once last week - chewing the Jacuzzi cover again - I tried the “no-chew” spray - might as well soaked the thing in steak juice for all the good it did. lol

I’m going to buy an “invisible fence” kit and set that up around the spa. Howard doesn’t like getting zapped so I expect he’ll quickly figure out that the spa isn’t a giant doggy chew toy.

Yesterday we had a bit of a “eureka” moment - while Mrs. Augie wasn’t looking I let Howard come in the house - and he behaved himself - no running around crazy knocking stuff down, no stealing/chewing stuff, no jumping on the kitchen counters. So later in the day I let him in again, but this time I did it when the boss was inside. Once again he was on good behavior and she got to see it that time.

I told Howard that if he keeps improving he’ll be sleeping on the bed with the rest of us by Christmas time. lol


735 posted on 09/29/2025 10:40:59 AM PDT by Augie
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To: Qiviut

I’ve always heard it as a, ‘13 by 9’ pan, myself!

Have you ever seen ‘Church Basement Ladies’ musical? They are hilarious and so spot-on. I saw the original traveling troop and the ‘Father’ character was the actor who played Father Mulcahy from M*A*S*H*

My Mom runs the kitchen at her church. They love her. And the Methodists put on a good spread, too!


736 posted on 09/29/2025 11:01:38 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Augie

Nice updates! Thanks! :)

“I told Howard that if he keeps improving he’ll be sleeping on the bed with the rest of us by Christmas time. lol”

Even though I raise them, I have never had a Walker Dog in the bed with me. I HAVE been known to sleep with Basset Hounds and Labradors, though. ;)


737 posted on 09/29/2025 11:20:46 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Augie

I take it you have a nice large bed! It’s good to hear that Howard is learning to behave himself inside. ☺️

Can you train my 15 year old cat not to wake us up in the middle of the night? 😂


738 posted on 09/29/2025 11:24:12 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: MomwithHope
And the Blue Ribbon in Paw Paw Production for 2025 goes to Mom With Hope!


739 posted on 09/29/2025 11:25:37 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; FamiliarFace; All

Halloween is coming ... how about a Goth Garden for a dark & scary vibe? Actually, I love the colors.

https://www.monrovia.com/be-inspired/elements-of-style-goth-gardens.html


740 posted on 09/29/2025 12:49:42 PM PDT by Qiviut (A Mighty Fortress: “...the body they may kill. God’s truth abideth still. His kingdom is forever")
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