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Vanity. Did FDR ever brag about how long Social Security would last?
Free Republic.com ^ | August 15, 2025 | Nateman

Posted on 08/14/2025 3:15:31 PM PDT by Nateman

I seem to recall reading somewhere that FDR bragged about how long his Social Security program would last. I've been (so far) unable to find any of his quotes on this.


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To: plain talk

Here is the story of the first recipient. Note that the “experts” planned the system’s financing saying “There is no reason to expect that more than a handful of people will live beyond the age of 65.”
Life expectancy average was 62.9 years and for women only it was 65.2 years at that time.


Ida May Fuller was the first person to receive monthly Social Security benefits. She received her first check on January 31, 1940.
Ida May Fuller was a legal secretary from Ludlow, Vermont. She had been paying into the Social Security system for just under three years before she retired in November 1939 at the age of 65. She only paid a total of $24.75 in Social Security taxes. Her first check was for $22.54. Fuller lived to be 100 years old, dying in 1975, and collected a total of $22,888.92 in Social Security benefits throughout her lifetime.

In 1960, the average monthly Social Security payment for retired workers was $81.73.


21 posted on 08/14/2025 3:45:17 PM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: Nateman

Not worthy of what you need but here is a brief article.

Social Security differed from other New Deal programs in that it wasn’t a short-term solution to the Great Depression. It was a long-term investment.

https://www.history.com/articles/social-security-history-fdr-new-deal


22 posted on 08/14/2025 3:49:45 PM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: Nateman

The Social Security and Medicare funding crisis will be solved by the implementation of a European-style value added tax (VAT). Neither party will allow 70 million seniors to take a 25% cut in benefits. Most Freepers receive S/S benefits btw (and Medicare). Like everyone else, they will hold their nose and let it pass. Any bets??


23 posted on 08/14/2025 3:50:40 PM PDT by rexthecat
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To: Nateman

This has a Fireside Chat and other pronouncements. Maybe will help.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/fdrstmts.html


24 posted on 08/14/2025 3:51:46 PM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: frank ballenger

“It was a long-term investment.”

When a robber puts a gun to your head and takes your money just remember....

“It was a long term investment.”


25 posted on 08/14/2025 3:54:05 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: rexthecat

My bet would be on just increasing the government deficit to the sky—until the music stops.


26 posted on 08/14/2025 3:55:20 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: Nateman

When SS was birthed the life expectancy for a man was 65.5 years. Neither FDR nor Congress envisioned SS lasting more than a couple of years tops. Families took care of senior members so SS was supposed to help with their expenses. Plus it was never envisioned to be more than a basic supplement to personal savings. The notion of SS as a full income is a LBJ invention


27 posted on 08/14/2025 3:58:34 PM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Nateman

I really doubt that FDR considered the effect of FEMINISM on Social Security.


28 posted on 08/14/2025 3:59:54 PM PDT by BobL (If you're over 50 and still eat carbs, expect to become diabetic)
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To: dljordan

Me too


29 posted on 08/14/2025 4:03:00 PM PDT by Fledermaus ("It turns out all we really needed was a new President!")
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To: Nateman

The program would be flush with cash if invested. Instead the pols spend it and throw an IOU in there at 3% or so.

Probably so much it could oay off the national debt.


30 posted on 08/14/2025 4:04:52 PM PDT by Fledermaus ("It turns out all we really needed was a new President!")
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To: cgbg

Yes. What a “hero” FDR was. We’re unable to extricate ourselves from his programs all these years later.

Like welfare as a “bridge” with the sad worker trying to reach the dignity of being employed again and respecting himself or herself as they get to the other end of the welfare bridge.

Paul Harvey once had a talk where he said people used to be ashamed of having to accept welfare or unemployment money (shamefully going “on the dole”) and tried to hide it from relatives and neighbors and the people at church. Now as he said they are called entitlements and people loudly demand “Where is my government money? I am entitled to it.”


31 posted on 08/14/2025 4:05:42 PM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: Nateman

After reading the book it’s a wonder we even survived the Great Depression he shoved us into.


32 posted on 08/14/2025 4:08:41 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Am Yisrael Chai ~)
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To: frank ballenger

Human nature is what it is.

What gets me frosted is the reification of the collective—using the “we” as the excuse for evil acts of all kinds.


33 posted on 08/14/2025 4:13:05 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: Leaning Right

In FDR’s time people began receiving benefits without paying much in. It’s buying votes.

Congress raised benefits too high relative to contributions. Thank Claude Peppers.


34 posted on 08/14/2025 4:15:51 PM PDT by alternatives?
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To: Nateman

Just throw illegal aliens, not undocumented migrants or illegal migrants
migrants or newcomers, off Social Security and Medicaid and they would
last for a much longer time. To me the Demoncrats ...I mean Democrats ploy
is to let those 10+ millions of illegal aliens in, give them free stuff,
let them vote and they will then seize control of the US forever.


35 posted on 08/14/2025 4:16:14 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (In a way ge is right as)
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To: Nateman

You can find his statements here:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-signing-the-social-security-act-0

and here:

https://www.ssa.gov/history/fdrstmts.html

I doubt he made any predictions on how long it would last.

In those days, people married, had large families, and didn’t live long, so the prospects would have seemed good for Social Security. Different generations lived together under one roof, so Social Security would be a supplement to savings and to what younger family members earned.

There would have been no reason why FDR would think that the system would collapse at some point. Social Security did a lot to break up the very social and economic conditions that made it seem like a good bet at the time, but few foresaw that in the Thirties.


36 posted on 08/14/2025 4:21:27 PM PDT by x
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To: Leaning Right

Good point on life expectancy changes. Also is the push to a “nuclear family” because of the “population explosion” myth, which undermined having future payees into SS.


37 posted on 08/14/2025 4:22:14 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: frank ballenger

That’s the problem right there. Nobody should get more than they put into the system. Ensure interest is added. Once they go through the balance, they need to use their investments.


38 posted on 08/14/2025 4:33:23 PM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: Nateman

It was presented as a permanent arrangement. Part of a new deal you might say.


39 posted on 08/14/2025 4:42:14 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along.)
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To: frank ballenger

A dollar still meant something back then. 5 and dime stores were still a thing.


40 posted on 08/14/2025 4:57:12 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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