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To: McGruff; ransomnote; marcusmaximus; kiryandil; Racketeer; Kazan; PIF; gleeaikin
quoting BJK: "14:1 ratio of Russians to Ukrainians killed YTD.”

McGruff : "If you believe that I have a bridge to Crimea I’ll sell you.
The opposite is more likely true."

It doesn't matter what I believe -- several organizations publish their estimates of casualties and all except Russian propaganda correlate to Ukrainian estimates, so take your pick of any of them.

It does matter a lot what Pres. Trump believes, and my numbers above are his, published on Truth Social.
So, if you have a bridge to sell, you might want to talk it over with Pres. Trump.

If you want a logical explanation of that 14:1 ratio, it's this:

Here's Trump's Truth Social post:
16 posted on 08/10/2025 3:34:11 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

You use Wikipedia to provide your causality numbers, that’s a joke.

Trump should fire whoever is giving him causality number. They don’t match anything from the on the ground reports. Don’t you think Ukraine would be touting these supposed numbers.


17 posted on 08/10/2025 4:48:29 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: BroJoeK; kiryandil; Kazan; McGruff
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled ADDRESSING THREATS TO THE UNITED STATES BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, BroJoeK wrote:
quoting BJK: "14:1 ratio of Russians to Ukrainians killed YTD.”

McGruff : "If you believe that I have a bridge to Crimea I’ll sell you.
The opposite is more likely true."

It doesn't matter what I believe -- several organizations publish their estimates of casualties and all except Russian propaganda correlate to Ukrainian estimates, so take your pick of any of them.

It does matter a lot what Pres. Trump believes, and my numbers above are his, published on Truth Social.
So, if you have a bridge to sell, you might want to talk it over with Pres. Trump.

If you want a logical explanation of that 14:1 ratio, it's this:

  • 3.5:1 overall casualty ratio, Russian to Ukrainian soldiers.
    This is combined killed, wounded and missing and reflects Russia's "meat wave" assaults against dug-in Ukrainian defensive positions.
  • 4:1 Russian wounded who die for every Ukrainian who dies from wounds.
    Also reflecting Russia's "meat wave" assault tactics, it shows superior Ukrainian medical services, along with Ukraine's understanding that, unlike Russians, they cannot afford to lose lives that might otherwise be saved.
    Ukraine's overall wounded-to-killed ratio of ~9:1 is comparable to the US in Afghanistan at 11:1. 
  • 3.5 X 4 = 14:1
Here's Trump's Truth Social post:"Truth Details
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I have just been informed that almost 20,000 Russian soldiers died this month in the ridiculous War with Ukraine.
Russia has lost 112,500 soldiers since the beginning of the year.
That is a lot of unnecessary DEATH!
Ukraine, however, has also suffered greatly.
They have lost approximately 8,000 soldiers since January 1, 2025, and that number does not include their missing.
Ukraine has also lost civilians, but in smaller numbers, as Russian rockets crash into Kyiv, and other Ukrainian locales.
This is a War that should have never happened — This is Biden’s War, not “TRUMP’s.”
I’m just here to see if I can stop it!

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Do you understand that as a diplomat, which is Trump's current role as he tries to negotiate peace, he is expected to adhere at least roughly to the numbers GIVEN HIM BY ZELENSKY????

Recall that Ukraine won't let news crews in because it's largely an intel war NATO/CIA forces are abundant, and because they have been trying to hide the fact that from the start, 'little Ukraine' has been losing badly to Russia. Ukraine's death toll is appallingly higher than it ever admits.

You also 'forgot' to note that the 'lost 8,000' soldiers in Trump's post does 'not include their missing.' Sadly, Ukraine has a poor reporting and recovery rate. Instead of reported the dead, a significant portion are declared missing. Part of it is intentional (intentionally not reporting what happens to soldiers) and in the worst case scenario, that can occur when soldiers too wounded to receive adequate treatment are harvested for organs instead (According to Arch Bishop Abbe Viganos. and he bases his reports on aid organizations). 

So Ukraine lies to keep its numbers down, doesn't always collect the wounded for burial, and in fact has fewer soldiers left on the battlefield to be injured. There are sections of the Ukrainian front line which are entirely unmanned.

Russia has extensive fighting aircraft and pilots to fly them. Ukraine does not. The F-16's given to Ukraine require pristine runways and air defense when on the ground - Ukraine's is inadequate. Ukraine has said so for quite some time - they need more air defenses.

Russia's missiles and missile launchers (aircraft or ground) are more modern and directly controlled (russia provides coordinates) whereas Ukraine's coordinates have to be relayed from NATO. The US gives Ukraine HIMARS and buys Soviet era launchers to launch them.

NATO/Ukraine is bleeding out. Both sides are losing 'too many' as NATO/Zelensky hold on to their chance at drawing the US into the war to start WWIII. Russia is fighting all of NATO (weapons, technology, command/control and soldiers) and NATO employs drones, so it makes sense to me that Russia's numbers are likely accurately reported.

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Logically it's ridiculous to assert that Zelensky's impossibly low, self-reported, or NATO estimated, losses are real. Those who beg for money from day 1 are not likely to admit their loses because they plan to continue to beg for money. They are losing and they are lying about it. Putin's are more realistic, and sadly Ukraine's numbers would likely be markedly higher than Russia's if the truth were known.

From the start, Russia had air dominance and the front lines consisted of attack from above and when Ukrainians retreated, they found their escape route mined.

Sometimes Ukrainian trolls insist that Putin's Russia has 11 time zones and it's huge compared with Ukraine. Other times the same trolls will insist Ukraine is defeating Russia or that RUssia has greater losses overall. So the propaganda fantasy here is that Ukraine's fewer soldiers are killing far more Russians. Part of the ground troops Ukraine is losing are foreign, and they don't count those. But Ukraine is running out of men - and Vice President Vance was correct to say that to Zelensky in the Oval Office. 

Russia retains enough mobility to retrieve the injured. Ukraine does not. Ukraine has been complaining for over a year that they lack adequate ammo for soldiers. Munitions access hasn't been as hard for Russia. 

Both sides are losing 'too many' and the public will draw back in horror when the truth of Ukraine's losses becomes known. 


19 posted on 08/10/2025 11:07:23 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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