Posted on 08/01/2025 6:02:53 AM PDT by Red Badger
For centuries, devout Christians have flocked to the Italian city of Turin to pay their respects to one of the most famous relics in the world.
The Shroud of Turin is a piece of linen, measuring 14ft 5in by 3ft 7in, that bears a faint image of the front and back of a man.
Many believe that this image was created when Jesus was wrapped in the venerated shroud shortly after his death on the cross 2,000 years ago.
However, according to a new study, the Shroud of Turin was never laid on Jesus' body.
Brazilian 3D designer and researcher Cicero Moraes, an expert in reconstructing historical faces, says that the shroud is nothing more than a 'masterpiece of Christian art'.
Mr Moraes used digital modelling software to examine how cloth drapes over the human body compared to a low, flat sculpture of a body.
These results, published this week in the journal Archaeometry, show that the shroud's distinctive pattern could only have been produced by a sculpture.
In his paper, Mr Moraes wrote: 'The Shroud's image is more consistent with an artistic low-relief representation than with the direct imprint of a real human body.'
New analysis shows that the images on the Shroud of Turin (centre) could only have been produced by laying the cloth over a flat sculpture (right) rather than over a human body (left)
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The time I’ve spent on it has increased my sense of wonder and deepened my thought about Jesus.
Sometimes I think a lot of Christians don’t really want Jesus to become too real. For some reason, they seem afraid of having Him move out of the strict boundaries of religiosity that they’ve accepted and rely upon.
I don’t understand this - it seems like blinders on a horse.
If a person has a closed mind and a closed heart he will probably ignore the Holy Spirt.
Many people need a physical object to pry open their minds and dispel their preconceptions.
Hear the story of Christ crucifixion. Maybe see Mel Gibson's 'Passion of the Christ' and then see the Shroud and watch the scales fall from their eyes.
Yes, it is the Holy Spirit that instills faith but first the heart has to be opened.
After reading around 110 posts, I am surprised how many people have integrated a piece of cloth into their belief structures. Personally I think the Shroud is mostly mythical and I don’t think it has anything at all to do with Jesus Christ or his resurrection. Just because it was claimed to be the cloth that covered his body is not even circumstantial evidence. I don’t think it is evidence of Christ’s existence or his resurrection. I think the evidence is in the Gospels by the accounts of actual witnesses. It isn’t important to believe on a relic. I personally don’t believe it. I have heard of it and read about it for many decades. I believe more about alien abductions than the Shroud of Turin
Very good post.
The ONE THING I have against this cloth being anybody’s burial shroud is the placement of the elbows at the sides of the figure. There is a wide gap. On both sides.
Lay down on the floor yourself and try and hold your arms in that position. Your arms will get tired rather quickly and will come to rest beside your trunk.
It was their practice for Jews bodies to be wrapped with linen cloth and various herbs and spices to prepare for burial. Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea did this for Jesus body.
When wrapping the body the arms would be snug up against the trunk and not splayed out like this cloth shows.
I don’t need a relic, real or not, to believe in Jesus resurrection..........................
Cicero Moraes (expert)
Why would I take the word/findings of one person? Expert?
Oh, and the linen was wrapped around the Lord’s body, not laid upon it. (See Jewish burial customs).
Doesn’t matter anyway.
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“ However, according to a new study, the Shroud of Turin was never laid on Jesus’ body.”
Well they weren’t there we know that much
your comment “they should never be the source of our faith” is off the mark. The Shroud is an aid and reinforcement for our statement of faith, not the source. I know of no one who has ever come up to me after my presentations on the Shroud that has indicated this true relic is the source of their faith. Your fears are unwarranted....
An intense examination of the shroud by scientist ranging from atheists to all religions, from over 100 science disciplines determined that the image on the shroud could have only been caused by a burst of energy that was equal to more than 34 billion Watts of energy in 1/8 billionth of a second.
This cannot be duplicated today no matter how hard science tries. We have the power nor the knowledge.
God does.
Case closed.
Should have read “we don’t have the power”
Christ left behind His Word and the Holy Spirit not a shroud to be worshiped
“The image on the Shroud may not have formed from physical contact, but from Christ’s glorified body passing upward through the cloth in a moment of dematerialization”
Bingo!
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
--Ephesians 2:8-9--
He was saved because I weaved that cloth. No, he was saved because I saved that cloth in a great place. Nonsense, he was saved because I discovered it. Ridiculous, he was saved because I showed it to him.
One of the most fascinating things about it is that it presents a negative image. Nobody has been able to explain how that was done hundreds of years before even our rudimentary accomplishments in photography.
So many people here reject it without even addressing any of the mysteries; they just brag that it isn’t necessary to their faith.
Well, that’s fine; but the thing still exists, and so many things about it are confounding.
Sounds like Moraes has a background making 3D “reconstructions” along the lines of Rudolph Zallinger’s “March of Progress” for LIFE Nature Library:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%ADcero_Moraes
In 2013, he created 12 panels on facial reconstruction related to human evolution. These panels were presented in the exhibition “Faces of Evolution” at the Egyptian and Rosicrucian Museum in Curitiba, Brazil.[8] All images displayed in the exhibition were donated to the Wikimedia Commons and were used to illustrate online posts related to scientific publications. . .
Still trying to debunk the blood typing, pollen, wounds, etc.? It is more difficult to prove that it wasn’t Jesus
That is exactly what I believe occurred.
IF Jesus had taken a *Nazirite vow, His hair would have been long. His hair may not have always been long. In spite of what Jeremiah Johnson says, Jesus was not a Nazirite
*Samson and John the Baptist were Nazirites from birth, or before, and had long hair. Jesus’ parents were given no such commands. Others took temporary vows and did not cut their hair.
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