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Pete Rose, 'Shoeless' Joe Jackson among players reinstated by MLB
ESPN ^ | 5/13/2025 | Don Van Natta Jr.

Posted on 05/13/2025 1:16:13 PM PDT by God luvs America

In a historic, sweeping decision, baseball commissioner Rob Manfred on Tuesday removed Pete Rose, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and other deceased players from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.

The all-time hit king and Jackson -- both longtime baseball pariahs stained by gambling, seen by MLB as the game's mortal sin -- are now presumably eligible for election into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York.

Manfred ruled that MLB's punishment of banned individuals ends upon their deaths.

"Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game," Manfred wrote in a letter to attorney Jeffrey M. Lenkov, who petitioned for Rose's removal from the list Jan. 8. "Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve.

"Therefore, I have concluded that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual, and Mr. Rose will be removed from the permanently ineligible list."

Manfred's decision ends the ban that Rose accepted from then-Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti in August 1989, following an MLB investigation that determined the 17-time All-Star had bet on games while managing the Cincinnati Reds.

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I wonder what Charlie Hustle feels about the pitch clock?


61 posted on 05/13/2025 2:26:01 PM PDT by kawhill ("Ain't gonna drink it? You tell me don't be like you, but you offer me a beer. Well which is it?")
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To: God luvs America

I think you are correct.


62 posted on 05/13/2025 2:30:00 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: God luvs America

I think you are correct. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4301256/posts


63 posted on 05/13/2025 2:31:05 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: Dr. Sivana

He helped throw the world series for money. He even admitted it.


64 posted on 05/13/2025 2:36:10 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

He bet on his team to win. MLB never produced any evidence to the contrary.


65 posted on 05/13/2025 2:36:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: God luvs America

It figures they would wait until he’s dead to do this.


66 posted on 05/13/2025 2:49:31 PM PDT by roving
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To: DesertRhino

Read the Dowd Report. It’s pretty damning to Rose’s case.


67 posted on 05/13/2025 2:50:33 PM PDT by BigB60 (C. S. Lewis loves hobbits)
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To: God luvs America

F this prick and the baseball commissioners before him. Pete Rose did not affect the outcome of one baseball game. He never once bet against his own team, which is the main purpose of the rule against gambling. Meanwhile, cheaters like Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, etc. have always been eligible for the HOF.


68 posted on 05/13/2025 2:54:45 PM PDT by bort
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To: God luvs America
"Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game," Manfred wrote in a letter to attorney Jeffrey M. Lenkov, who petitioned for Rose's removal from the list Jan. 8. "Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve.

Never mind that they still have to be voted in...
so, how do they now get elected to the HOF? via the Era Committee ?
or does the limit reset and the Sports Writers vote for 5 years?

Then what about the steroid guys who die ?
69 posted on 05/13/2025 2:58:41 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Death Smiles At Everyone - Marines Smile Back" - 250 years of smiling - 11/10/2025)
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To: DesertRhino
He helped throw the world series for money.

He throws a World Series by batting .375? I never heard the quotation from him, but if it weren't a public arena, I would be skeptical. Even in one, I don't know what pressures were borne on him.
70 posted on 05/13/2025 3:06:33 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: stylin19a

Sorry...I suppose I should have read the article...cripes.

Players must be on at least 12 of the 16 ballots cast by the Classic Baseball Era Committee to be elected to the Hall of Fame.


71 posted on 05/13/2025 4:23:13 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Death Smiles At Everyone - Marines Smile Back" - 250 years of smiling - 11/10/2025)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

He wouldn’t have to throw a game for the gambling to effect the results though. Just having a different strategy in the game to make prop bets, or cover the line. Plus of course it was all illegal gambling, so who knows what happens when he gets in debt to those people. And of course he’s in the only sport to have already had a gambling scandal. And then he never accepted that what he did damaged the game, or himself. All the way to his final memoir he still was saying it wasn’t a big deal and his punishment was excessive.


72 posted on 05/13/2025 4:43:53 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: bort

Actually none of those guys are eligible anymore. The baseball hall has an eligibility window thing. Once you get to the second layer of votes you’ve got 10 years, if you don’t get voted in on any of those you are out of consideration. Now the Veterans Committee CAN put players in post that window. But the Veterans Committee doesn’t vote that often, and doesn’t tend to override on players that failed 10 times.

Also note Rose actually came up for vote a couple of times, failed miserably which is part of why the HOF declared they would honor the ban and remove him from consideration. To spare him the embarrassment of failing the vote 10 times. And this move only makes him ELIGIBLE, he still might fail the vote.


73 posted on 05/13/2025 4:52:21 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu
"In 1921, a Chicago jury acquitted Jackson and his seven teammates of wrongdoing. Nevertheless, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, the newly appointed Commissioner of Baseball, imposed a lifetime ban on all eight players. "Regardless of the verdict of juries," Landis declared, " -wiki
74 posted on 05/13/2025 5:02:13 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...

75 posted on 05/13/2025 8:01:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: dfwgator

OJ should be removed from the Football HOF


76 posted on 05/14/2025 9:20:23 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Schiff to GITMO)
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