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The life-or-death case for self-driving cars
msn.com ^

Posted on 05/05/2025 7:08:32 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

The average American adult will spend around three years of their life driving. If robots could take the wheel instead, well, think of all the Netflix shows we could stream instead. Don't forget work via wifi.

But the true benefit of a self-driving revolution will be in lives saved. And new data from the autonomous vehicle company Waymo suggests that those savings could be very great indeed.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Travel
KEYWORDS: fakenews; selfdrivingcars; vox
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To: DIRTYSECRET

For some reason I’m reminded of what Israel did with the pagers that were shipped to Hamas.


41 posted on 05/05/2025 7:39:03 AM PDT by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Utopia? No.

One of the biggest issues not discussed enough is liability. Today, if a person driving a car causes an accident, the driver is liable, civilly or criminally, or both. Cars dont kill people, people kill people. (see the gun analogy here).

Autonomous driving cars flips that. Who is now liable? Will the manufacturers be sued, sent to prison, for accidents caused by their products? I dont see how assembly line workers (who are probably robots anyway) much less rich execs thousands of miles away are going to do prison time because your child was run over by a ‘smart vehicle’.


42 posted on 05/05/2025 7:39:08 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: asinclair
The auto industry has come a long way toward protecting passengers and drivers from collisions. Now it's time to providing help to avoid collisions.

I disagree with this. It's no coincidence that motor vehicle crash rates have risen even as driver assist technology has been adopted at a large scale -- even under government mandate.

The problem is that making the vehicle "safer" introduces a complacency risk that has done nothing but incentivize a major decline in driving skills.

If you want to reduce collisions, the best thing you can do is eliminate 90% of the safety features that have been added to cars over the last 30 years. And outlaw the automatic transmission while you're at it.

43 posted on 05/05/2025 7:39:15 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The gallows wait for martyrs whose papers are in order.")
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To: Alberta's Child

This is the essence of “The Technology Trap”, people rely so much on technology they simply won’t know how to cope when it’s not available.


44 posted on 05/05/2025 7:41:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
I thought this was interesting, though kind of long.

Video

45 posted on 05/05/2025 7:42:09 AM PDT by CA_soon_gone
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To: roving

**When my TV went digital, the shows froze and became choppy.**

As I remember the naysayers wanted the cable companies to give them a new tv. Some need to be told to get with the program.


46 posted on 05/05/2025 7:42:49 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Sure, it will save lives? /sarcasm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufQPDJnmgdA

Next they will be flying planes without anyone in the cockpit?

Pure Insanity!


47 posted on 05/05/2025 7:44:02 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

https://youtu.be/9xkokcGTK4k?si=rhJdNTf3xM5pRVng

What could go wrong?


48 posted on 05/05/2025 7:44:44 AM PDT by Salamander (Please visit my profile page to help me go home again. https://www.givesendgo.com/GCRRD)
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To: Tell It Right

I find all the nudges very annoying, in rental cars.


49 posted on 05/05/2025 7:46:31 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: mewzilla

Bump


50 posted on 05/05/2025 7:47:16 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Self driving cars - no judgement just a set of canned responses set by one team of programmers. What could possibly go wrong?


51 posted on 05/05/2025 7:47:19 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Better use of time is driving 500 miles in a van and sleeping in the back.

What will then happen is driving around town for an hour with a “partner”. Of course there will be hidden cameras someone can use to blackmail.


52 posted on 05/05/2025 7:52:38 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: Alberta's Child
...product liability claims against not only the auto manufacturer, but also the manufacturers of all the components that contribute to the movement of the vehicle.

When the cost of insurance for smaller companies providing goods and services exceeds the entire value of the job, much less the profit from the work, such companies walk away.

On a related note from 2017:

Takata Corporation Pleads Guilty, Sentenced to Pay $1 Billion in Criminal Penalties for Airbag Scheme
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/takata-corporation-pleads-guilty-sentenced-pay-1-billion-criminal-penalties-airbag-scheme

Takata declared bankruptcy and was liquidated in 2018. These recalls are still open.

It's not just insurance for all the sub-component companies, but also the liability of no driver and the complications of what a manufacturer/assembler gets stuck with when sub-component companies go out of business due to lawsuits for defective products.

53 posted on 05/05/2025 7:53:30 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: DIRTYSECRET

It is already happening on limited route. This dog won’t hunt.

https://houstonherald.com/2025/05/driverless-trucks-are-rolling-in-texas-ushering-in-new-era/


54 posted on 05/05/2025 7:53:51 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
I think self-driving cars will happen significantly at some point but probably not in my lifetime.

In the meantime it is a crazy world out there.



55 posted on 05/05/2025 7:56:33 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: DIRTYSECRET

And what of non-conformist that have to share the road with autonomous vehicles?

Let’s say my 80-85 mph cruise speed puts me at odds with a bunch of robotic roadblocks. Whose rights will be trampled on “for the good”.


56 posted on 05/05/2025 7:56:34 AM PDT by CTyank
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Think of when TV signals went from analog to digital overnight.

It wasn't overnight as it was in the works for years. It's not a comparable analogy because the conversion from analog TV to to digital TV was due to the reallocation of signal frequencies.

That would be like taking a lane away from drivers and dedicating it for other use, such as parking, not switching from "analog drivers" to "digital drivers".

57 posted on 05/05/2025 8:00:49 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: ridesthemiles

Lost interest when they decided that 500 miles was too much of a drive. Now we have stages so everybody has a chance to “share” the purse, and low attention span viewers don’t get bored.

Meh.


58 posted on 05/05/2025 8:01:36 AM PDT by CTyank
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To: DIRTYSECRET
I'm looking forward to retiring and a warm Summer ahead to enjoy riding my motorcycles. My F150 has been driven very little since returning to Idaho from San Diego. I fill the tank annually right now. The battery needs to be recharged about every 60 days. I won't be spending the big bucks for a self-driving car.
59 posted on 05/05/2025 8:02:45 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Absolutely 100% not interested. I enjoy driving.

I don’t enjoy being a passenger. I tend to get a little carsick when I try to read or watch something while in a car.

Did I mention that I enjoy driving?

The other day, I drove 725 miles. I do 50-60,000 miles a year.

I hate the idea of having some robot steal my freedom.


60 posted on 05/05/2025 8:03:33 AM PDT by cyclotic (Don’t be part of the problem. Be the entire problem)
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