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To: RetiredArmy

Well technically, it’s a “near death” experience. I had one, BUT i am convinced that it is a matter of the brain misfiring while in a state of dying, causing hallucinations, especially if high fever is involved, which i had. I beleive it isthe brain’s mechanism to help protect the dying person from the pain and fear of dying, as It causes an altered state that separates itself from the trauma of dying.

I know there are some who claim out of body experiences, and claimto see things “that they couldn’t possibly have seen otherwise” (for instance, a m3dical 5ool atop a dresser, too high to see from a bed) but I question that. I don’t totally discount it, but do question it.

It is a real experience? Or just the brain going haywire? I suspect the latter, though i can’t say with 100% certainty. I only know ehat I 3xperienced, and being that it wasn’t biblically sound, I personally know that it was a runc5ion of a brain in a traumatic situation trying to protect itself efen thougnthe experience was horrible (I “went” 5o hell, not heaven, and while thay i n its3lf was frightening and horrid, it did seperate me from the physical trauma in the process of dying)


9 posted on 03/26/2025 6:20:54 AM PDT by Bob434 (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana)
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To: Bob434

Wow! Major spelling mistakes- if anyone can’t decifer what I wrote, I’ll rewrite it


11 posted on 03/26/2025 6:23:39 AM PDT by Bob434 (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana)
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To: Bob434

Well, I freaked out my surgeon by telling him to have a wonderful time at a concert he was chatting about during the operation. And even told him what classical music was playing in the operating room.

His jaw dropped open and quietly and quickly walked away from my bed in the recovery room.

Second operation...don’t recall a single thing. LOL.


16 posted on 03/26/2025 6:30:27 AM PDT by EBH (It is always darkest before the dawn. Government betrayed the Republic.)
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To: Bob434
I presume you do not accept the notion that the essential "YOU" is eternal, and does live on following death.

I never had an NDE, but I have had other experiences which prove to me that there is a soul and that once it leaves the body it can interact with the physical domain.

17 posted on 03/26/2025 6:30:29 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Bob434

Christian history has more than a few who were “vouchsafed a vision of hell” without necessarily implying that the person experiencing it was headed that direction.


30 posted on 03/26/2025 7:01:18 AM PDT by No.6
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To: Bob434

When it happened to me I was deep inside the hospital ICU in an induced coma.

I “left” the hospital to visit my friends in their dreams to tell them either I would survive but if not I was saying goodbye. (It was nighttime).

What bothered me was it was raining, not hard, kind of a drizzle, no thunderstorms, but I was getting wet.

Months later I looked at what the weather was like that evening. Light showers.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/tn/memphis/KMEM/date/2010-6-3


39 posted on 03/26/2025 7:14:39 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: Bob434
Your theory makes a lot of sense. The brain is constantly active which is why we dream when we are sleeping. I know when I am going through a lot of stress in my life, I can dream very vividly.

So the out of body experiences described could be related to dreaming.

Now when I was very young, probably 4 or 5 years old, I remember having a "dream" where I was floating in my bedroom near the ceiling and could see myself in the bed down below. I slowly floated down towards my body on the bed and then I "woke up". I still remember that dream clearly all these years later - or was it even a dream!

40 posted on 03/26/2025 7:17:30 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Bob434

Did the experience affect your typing ability?


43 posted on 03/26/2025 7:29:01 AM PDT by I-ambush (From the brightest star comes the blackest hole. You had so much to offer, why didya offer your sou?)
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To: Bob434
claim to see things “that they couldn’t possibly have seen otherwise”

There are many books on near death experiences I haven't read but have heard recently one doctor now deliberately sets up items on high places that the patients could never see from their beds and then asks them about these later.

Fr.Robert Spitzer has referenced the accidental one of the patient who said there was an old tennis shoe on the roof of the building next to where he revived after briefly being apparently dead. Staff climbed stairs and checked and found the shoe. No one could view it from the first building. Weird.

50 posted on 03/26/2025 7:44:12 AM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: Bob434
There is an inescapable problem with the materialist explanation of NDEs as the "the brain’s mechanism to help protect the dying person from the pain and fear of dying." Why would evolution develop such a mechanism? What benefit is it unless there is survival of consciousness after death? And if NDEs are simply the brain "going haywire," why would there be so much commonality to them?

The better explanation is that the brain is not the origin of consciousness but a conduit for it, just as a TV is not the source of the images and sound on display but a conduit for them. Kill the body and consciousness survives, just as smashing a TV does not eliminate the programming it displayed.

Notably, there are many examples of carefully controlled and well documented hypnotic past life regressions that support the view of consciousness as surviving death. Similarly, there are evidential mediums whose abilities at accessing the dead in spirit form are so well proven as to exclude fraud.

As for frightful NDEs, they seem to be a warning to change course in life, both for the person affected and for those who hear of the experience.

52 posted on 03/26/2025 7:45:27 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Bob434

I think it’s a real experience. One story that I read about an NDE, the person spotted a shoe on a ledge of the hospital outside. Not visible from inside. When he ‘came back’ & mentioned it, someone went to look, & the shoe was there.


80 posted on 03/26/2025 8:28:22 AM PDT by Twotone ( What's the difference between a politician & a flying pig? The letter "F.")
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To: Bob434

Ketamine


106 posted on 03/26/2025 10:06:45 AM PDT by Az Joe (We can't spare President Trump; He fights!)
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120 posted on 03/26/2025 4:33:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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