Posted on 03/26/2025 6:03:27 AM PDT by RandFan
A woman claimed that she died on the operating table during brain surgery and watched surgeons as they drilled through her skull from above her body.
Pam Reynolds Lowery, from Atlanta, Georgia, who passed away in 2010, previously revealed that she had a near-death experience during a brain operation performed by Robert F. Spetzler at the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona in 1991.
Pam, who was 35 at the time, reported a series of incredible experiences while she was technically 'dead', including meeting relatives who had passed away and not wanting to return to her own body.
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Missionaries Nate Saint and Jim Elliot were massacred by the Auca Indians in 1956.
Some of their children returned as missionaries decades later. They were playing Christian music on records, and some of the locals who had converted to Christianity were shocked. They said that when Saint and Elliot were being killed, they heard that same music in the air.
[[” Why would evolution develop such a mechanism? What benefit is it unless there]]
Not that I beleive in evolution, but if we are arguing this, then it wou,d be the same benefit that animals have when they get predated upon and go into shock and are eaten alive and don’t struggle or apparently feel the pain. The body and brain especially fights furiously to protect itself through various mechanisms.
[[As for frightful NDEs, they seem to be a warning to change course in life]]
I was and am still on the right course- it was more the evil one trying to dissuade me from staying on the right path- thak,fully he didn’t succeed. (Although I later swerved severely all on my own, like a dummy)
As for the mediums, again, lying spirits- sure they get in touch with something, but not th3 dead- these spirits keep them blind- and just for the record, mediums are only Correct about 60 some odd percent of the time, not much better than random guesswork, although they are more skilled at “reading situations” and guessing facts because they train themselves to do so.
Near Death Experiences (NDE's) tend to include the person observing their own bodies being worked on by doctors, with details they couldn't have seen with eyes taped shut and under full anaesthesia. Then the "tunnel", the "light", the feeling of warmth and being loved, life review, greeting by passed family members, and being told that they have to go back to complete an important task (not their time).
They aren't as rare as one might guess. And in some cases the experience is awful, an image of Hell. Atheists and skeptical medical professionals have "come back" believing in consciousness outliving the flesh. Unless and until it happens to me I'll remain questioning, but this story isn't at all uncommon.
Agreed- the kind goes into an altered state- perhaps one that “relaxes from the trauma” it is experiencing, and therefore better able to withstand the trauma for longer. That is a possibility
I have had several patients describe them to me, and the most amazing thing is that they were elicited just during histories -- not unusual or stimulating conversations -- just routine.
They just matter-of-fact told me about their experiences and they didn't care one bit whether I believed them or not.
They were probably just as happy as not to bring it up but they did.
That was the most impressive aspect of them when hearing them.
Scary NDEs are truly scary, though I have never heard one personally. But they seem terrifying, hyperdepressing, odious by the accounts I have read.
In the 1980s, Howard Storm was an atheist. He was an art professor who was visiting France with his art students when he had a very serious medical condition. His medical condition was ignored by the hospital until it was "too late." Howard describes what happened after he left his body and demons tried to take him to Hell. He describes how he kept hearing a voice, saying "pay for Jesus." over and over again. Howard did go to church as a youth, so he started paying every bit of prayers he could remember. Accordingly he went to heaven and talked to Jesus for many years (according to Howard, time does not exist in heaven). After he returned to his body, he had a very serious time recuperating. However, he completely changed his life around and later became a Methodist paster (I think in the 1990s).
I listen to Youtube videos about Near Death Experiences. There are some fakes, that to me seem to be discernable after you listen to a bunch of them. To me, one way of telling whether they are being truthful is if they completely change their life around. From all documentable details, Howard is truthful: He was an atheist. He was an art professor. He had a medical situation that he should not have lived through. He completely changed his life- he went from a comfortable life as an art professor to an impoverished pastor (The church he was assigned to was on the brink of being closed due to lack of attendance.). Every penny he could give to the church from his very small salary was given back to the church. Etc... .
Howard has written two books; one about his experience in heaven and the other about his life after. Neither books are polished. The books are kind of like a book your uncle would write to a nephew.
I choose to believe Howard.
“Then the “tunnel”, the “light”, the feeling of warmth and being loved, life review, greeting by passed family members, and being told that they have to go back to complete an important task (not their time).”
Excellent short summary.
There are variations on that theme but you have nailed the basics.
It is quite possible that in prehistoric times, NDE’s were much more common than today, especially among people of child-bearing age. In “caveman times” almost every adult alive was of child-bearing age.
I dropped dead (zero pulse or respiration) on the basketball court Thanksgiving weekend of 2018. I remember posting up on the left side of the foul lane, then everything went white. My next memory is awakening in the hospital, five days later (they tell me). I had been kept in an induced coma to prevent brain damage.
Thanks to God’s Grace and quick CPR, plus great medical care I am able to talk about it. I have no memory of seeing anyone or anything for the duration of my unconsciousness.
[[Perhaps you don’t write clearly, transitioning between the “me” and “they” perspectives without notice]]
Could be- i do tend to do so- my typing doesn’t keep up with my thoughts- and they tend to mesh together i thinki
Wow.
No, Elvis is not dead. He just went home.
Years ago I had a friend who was dying from AIDS. We went to see him in the VA hospital, but got there almost immediately after he died. He was gay, and unrepentant.
The expression on his dead face was one of unspeakable horror. He saw where he was going upon his death.
I hope all is well for you now.
[[But they seem terrifying, hyperdepressing, odious]]
They are- not fun- whether an actual after death experience or not, i think not, it is something i never want again-
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From what I have seen, the great majority of NDEs are very positive.
Yes, it is- thanks-
I have 2 friends with NDEs. The first had a fire in his house and his 3 or 4 year old died of smoke inhalation. You could tell she was dead when they brought her out. CPR brought her back.
She told them she was met by Jesus, and he had cheerios for her (her favorite thing in the world!) They talked for a while then He told her she had to come back.
My other friend, after a long story, found himself in the middle of the night, being chased by bad guys and falling down an embankment, landing in a half frozen creek. He was freezing to death, and saw “shadows” slowly coming to take him away. It terrified him, so he decided to pray the sinners prayer his uncle had continually told him about. The shadows backed away. He decided he would crawl up the hill as soon as he could see something, and the next moment he could see as If it was daytime. He crawled up the hill, just as an ambulance came into the cull de sac where he was. His life has completely changed.
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