Posted on 03/26/2025 6:03:27 AM PDT by RandFan
A woman claimed that she died on the operating table during brain surgery and watched surgeons as they drilled through her skull from above her body.
Pam Reynolds Lowery, from Atlanta, Georgia, who passed away in 2010, previously revealed that she had a near-death experience during a brain operation performed by Robert F. Spetzler at the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona in 1991.
Pam, who was 35 at the time, reported a series of incredible experiences while she was technically 'dead', including meeting relatives who had passed away and not wanting to return to her own body.
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It is a real experience? Or just the brain going haywire? I suspect the latter, though i can’t say with 100% certainty.
From your #9
Lots of people see Elvis ... and they truly believe it! It’s a “near-lunacy” experience
I had an uncle who had that happen. I don’t remember the circumstances, but he said that he wasn’t afraid of dying ever since that happened to him.
Yup it is weird, and has a few possible explanations. One being spiritual, ie lying spirits informing a person of such things in order to deceive ie deceive th3 doctors doing g the experiments to keep,them from God’s truth- this is just one possib,e explanation, not THE exp,anation of course. I don’t know enough about it to make an informed decision, jist as I don’t know enough about remote viewing issues, but do be,eive that those are used by lying spirits to keep people blind to God’s truth in many cases.
I know some people calim that they have seen God’s face when th3y “died” and th3 bible is clear that no man has seen God’s face and lived. I think that thee re is the possibility that the person claiming that might not be saved, and lying spirits caused the person to think they had, thus attempting to make the person think that they are saved, have seen God, and Wil. Be in heaven when they die when in fsct they aren’t saved. Not saying the person isn’t infsct saved, just saying that that is a possibility an pd how a spirit might work in that person’s life and mind to keep them from seeking salvation if they are unsaved.
Can’t remember which NDE book it was from, but I’ve heard discussions of one child who was clinically dead but revived. He said he was in Heaven and saw loved ones including a sister he described and named. He came back to life and told of it.
At first his parents didn’t want to discuss it but then revealed that they had never told him a sister of his had died in childbirth-—the one who would have been of the age he described.
Perhaps you don't write clearly, transitioning between the "me" and "they" perspectives without notice. I am not being stubborn. What you wrote seems to indicate that you do not readily accept the spiritual aspect of NDEs.
People seeing what they expect/want to see is not necessarily a problem—and it does not validate or invalidate any belief system.
We see what we are ready to see—when we are ready to see it.
That is for our protection—and we should be grateful for it.
RE: lying spirits informing a person of such things in order to deceive ie deceive th3 doctors doing g the experiments to keep,them from God’s truth-
I am always dismayed to think about how we are supposed to discern which things are illusions from Satan and which are revelations from God.
Wow!
I don’t remember the circumstances, but he said that he wasn’t afraid of dying ever since that happened to him.
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That’s common in NDEs. People are not afraid to die. It’s comforting.
That sounds wise.
It really was. Very comforting. I’m convinced it was because of all the prayers.
He probably went to chew out the anesthesiologist…..
What don’t you understand about the word “some”? Ill explain it to you, i think that there are some who claim to have seen things “that couldnt possibly be seen” did infsct see it either in a reflection or see the handle fo the too,or whatever- i did NOT say that every claim can be exp,ained away! And I clearly said I do not discount every experience byeveryone.
And what don’t you understand about the statement that “I don’t totally discount it”?
Again, have a nice day! Not explaining it any furhter. You are reading what you want to into my post in order to keep your position that I
Ypu: “Correct. You don’t think any NDEs are spiritual in nature”
NOT true. I said MY experience was not spiritual in nature for several reasons. But even that im not 100% certain of, BUT am fairly certain it was not because of the reasons i stated. Just because I am convinced that MY experience wasn’t spiritual doesn’t mean that I can’t be convinced otherwise IF enough evid3nce were to point in that direction. I personally be,eive that MY experience has enough evidence to show that it wasn’t at this point however.
I hope this clears it up
My experience ehad the opposite effect- it made me question my salvation for a long time- Satan really worked hard on me, trying to convince me that “maybe is wasn’t —Serious Enough—” when I accepted christ as savior. That somehow I hadn’t been committed enough or soemthing. Even thohgh I knew the ehatni saw in the experience was not biblical (the nde experience I mean)- messed wot my mind for years.
RE: sacred music
Thanks for the link.
Although I don’t believe in any pagan practices I was interested in the part of the Joseph Campbell TV lectures and interviews where he described the effect of hearing a large group of male Buddhist monks chanting a sonorous series of notes. He said there was a big effect to him from the deep voices resonating in the building and in him. Sort of a bone conduction. They think it is aligning spiritual and human realms.
The Hindus believe the beginning of creation was in the “Aum” or “Om” sound which when properly sounded includes all the vowels within it.
The Christian choirs in your video link have something in common with both of those, in my opinion.
Yeah it’s tough. I know what you mean. One thing that helps is to determine if what is revealed or seen in the mind’s eye is biblical or not- in my case it wasn’t, but as in my previous post, it still messed with my mind for years. I am convinced now though that it was not from God because of how unblical it was (what I imagined I saw and heard, ie, I was given a test “to get put of hell if I passed... I failed the test in my experience btw, and was sent to the outer darkness, something i had never even heard of before that i knew of- that was the most frightening part of the who.e thing)
Pretty sure Satan was messing with my mind during that time and for years after.
Interesting.
Agreed—you are on the right track.
Joseph Campbell focused on the similarities of belief systems from all over the world—rather than the differences.
I think it’s a real experience. One story that I read about an NDE, the person spotted a shoe on a ledge of the hospital outside. Not visible from inside. When he ‘came back’ & mentioned it, someone went to look, & the shoe was there.
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