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Preemptive pardons
1/20/20-5 | Vanity

Posted on 01/20/2025 6:20:10 AM PST by Raycpa

The power of a presidential pardon would be nullified if they could not be in effect before convictions or even indictments. All the government prosecutor would need to do is pocket the charges or prosecution until after the presidents term.


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1 posted on 01/20/2025 6:20:10 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Pardoned for what exactly?


2 posted on 01/20/2025 6:20:34 AM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!ly)
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To: V_TWIN

Such a deal /s


3 posted on 01/20/2025 6:23:01 AM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: Raycpa

I remember when there was a rumor Trump was going to do that
Of course the media has a meltdown about how bad and corrupt it would be

Video
Jake Tapper asks President-elect Biden about the rumor that Trump may issue some preemptive pardons before leaving office.

Biden: You’re not going to see me do that

https://rumble.com/v6bdlq4-dec-2020-president-elect-biden-says-he-wont-give-preemptive-pardons-before-.html

FLASHBACK VIDEO.
Adam Schiff says:
The precedent of giving blanket pardons, preemptive blanket pardons on the way out of an administration, I think, is a precedent we don’t want to set.”
https://rumble.com/v6bdbqy-adam-schiff-says-giving-blanket-pardons-is-a-precedent-we-dont-want-to-set.html


4 posted on 01/20/2025 6:23:47 AM PST by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: Raycpa

To me, this supports my hypothesis that each and everyone of them could be found guilty of treason, fraud, obstruction and a multitude of other high crimes and misdemeanors by a jury of their peers, otherwise, why the need from “preemptive” pardons?


5 posted on 01/20/2025 6:23:59 AM PST by Mathews (I have faith Malachi is right!!! Any day now...)
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To: Raycpa

Keepin’ the guilty fascist RATS out of prison.


6 posted on 01/20/2025 6:24:07 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Joe Pedophile's deal with the devil is finally coming to an end. Thank you Lord. Amen.)
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To: Raycpa

Not even legal, I suspect they could be overturned as these are “preemptive”... In order to be pardoned they have to have been convicted, I think. I suspect these could be challenged and overturned.


7 posted on 01/20/2025 6:24:10 AM PST by dpetty121263
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To: Raycpa

I’m expecting Biden to pardon the guy who tried to assassinate Trump the second time.


8 posted on 01/20/2025 6:25:42 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Raycpa

Granting presidential pardons for unspecified crimes, for which there have been no indictments, needs to be challenged.

We can’t have a government where a potentate instigates crimes and cover ups by his political henchmen knowing he can absolve them of any accountability. How can any system survive that kind of self-serving manipulation?


9 posted on 01/20/2025 6:25:44 AM PST by Starboard
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To: V_TWIN

“They” should go through the investigations just the same. Nail the perps for purgery if they don’t come clean. At least that way the public would know the crimes that were committed.


10 posted on 01/20/2025 6:26:15 AM PST by GingisK
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To: V_TWIN

Not just the pardons, but also the breadth of them. They cannot be without some kind of constitutional limits.

Absolutism can become dangerously arbitrary. Can’t have that kind of unilateral power in a republic.


11 posted on 01/20/2025 6:26:21 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Raycpa

Not only would a pre-emptive pardon be nullified if adduced as a defense to an indictment.

Any prosecutor worth his salt would obtain the records and documents supporting the application or petition for the pardon and use them as an overall admission of guilt.

Whoever dreamed this up has put Liz Cheney and others right in the cross hairs.


12 posted on 01/20/2025 6:26:23 AM PST by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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To: janetjanet998

LOL
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President-elect Joe Biden says he’s concerned about reports that President Trump is considering a host of preemptive pardons for his adult children and lawyer Rudy Giuliani, as well as the possibility of one for himself
https://x.com/CNNPolitics/status/1334700728590462978


13 posted on 01/20/2025 6:26:30 AM PST by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: janetjanet998

Isn’t it funny how all those “conspiracy theories” became pardonable acts?


14 posted on 01/20/2025 6:28:59 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Raycpa

These pardons create a list of unindicted co-conspirators.


15 posted on 01/20/2025 6:29:02 AM PST by GMMC0987
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To: Mathews

Straight up admission of guilt. Straight up admission of a coordinated conspiracy.


16 posted on 01/20/2025 6:29:47 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: Raycpa

Most states have the specification for treason included in their state constitutions. He who will not be named, along with the people he pardoned and his puppetmasters, should be charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced under the state crime of treason.


17 posted on 01/20/2025 6:32:06 AM PST by Carl Vehse (Make Austin Texas Again!)
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“Straight up admission of guilt. Straight up admission of a coordinated conspiracy.”

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And straight up evidence of cover ups.


18 posted on 01/20/2025 6:32:10 AM PST by Starboard
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To: V_TWIN
Pardoned for what exactly?

Like Hunter (aka, the "first druggie"), they are pardoned for anything illegal they have done, including anything illegal that hasn't been prosecuted, and for anything illegal or, in Fauci's case, anything inhumane they might have done.

Trump should pardon himself for everything and anything he has done or that he might have done or, in his case, anything and everything that he even thought about doing. This would cause the Democrat/Communist Party Left to feel ... uh ... very sad, indeed.

19 posted on 01/20/2025 6:35:15 AM PST by glennaro (2025: The year of America's rebirth as a Great (and Free) Republic)
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To: Raycpa

Pardons in general need to be revisited by the SCOTUS. In a word, it’s grossly unfair that a person (President) can pardon anyone he chooses while others who’ve been convicted of the same crime remain in prison or death row to carry out their sentence. There needs to be limits on who and for what a person can be pardoned.


20 posted on 01/20/2025 6:35:15 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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