Posted on 11/22/2024 8:55:32 PM PST by logi_cal869
A mysterious byproduct of a chemical used to disinfect the tap water of about one-third of Americans has finally been identified, and the international research team behind the discovery is advocating rapid assessment of its potential toxicity.
The research, reported Thursday in the journal Science, does not claim that tap water containing the byproduct is unsafe to drink or that the finding represents any kind of emergency. All water, including bottled water, contains contaminants.
But the discovery of a new and previously unknown chemical, called chloronitramide anion, could have implications for municipal water systems that use a class of chlorine-based disinfectants called chloramines. For decades these disinfectants, derived from the mixture of chlorine and ammonia, have been added to many municipal water supplies to kill bacteria and prevent waterborne illnesses.
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“We need to investigate it. We don’t know the toxicity,” said environmental engineer Julian Fairey, an associate professor at the University of Arkansas and lead author of the paper. “This work was 40 years in the making in terms of trying to identify the compound, and now that we have identified it, we can delve into how toxic is this thing.”
Initial computational modeling of the compound shows similarities to other chemicals with demonstrated toxicity, which “suggests that it is probably not harmless,” Fairey said.
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THAT’S not what he said! Lol
Your filter would not remove chloramines. They can remove some chloramines with carbon filters and reverse osmosis, but not all.
Private wells were not always that safe.
I drilled water wells for a living in a pass life.
We took great care to make sure they were done properly.
Some of the ones we replaced were not done so.
Do I think we are over regulated yes.
Are some regulations needed yes.
Drawing the fine line in between can be hard.
3. My daughter in law has a PhD in engineering from here at UNC with water treatment as her research specialty.
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Your post was quite interesting and when I finished it, I was thinking that everyone should be so fortunate as to have a family member with this specialty.
Here’s my question.... I’ve almost exclusively lived on properties with a private well for my entire life.... I have a summer and a winter property now and both have deep wells. I have always gone through the recommended testing protocols for water but they only touch on fecal coliform bacteria. Our primary property is on the outskirts of a large city and since there are gas stations within say 300 yards, I’ve occasionally paid for hydrocarbon tests as it always has concerned me that some of the older tanks that they used might have eventually leaked. So far the water has always come back clean in all regards.
We are now looking at selling our primary property and while there is a debate here as to where and what the next move will look like, I’ve raised the issue of water as being one of the driving forces as to how that decision is made.... we may end up owning another country property or we may end up in a condo in the city.
If you were looking at properties regardless of where they might be, what testing protocols would you execute before buying? And what are the thresholds you would use to determine what is acceptable and what is not? Or is this too stupid and broad a question to be practical to apply?
All water, including bottled water, contains contaminants.
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Is there a reliable method for getting a handle on what might all be in bottled water short of taking samples to testing agencies and paying for it? That would get incredibly expensive to do... Is there an association that the water bottling companies subscribe to that publishes this information for example? And what about the bottle itself... if it sits around for a long time, are the chemicals of concern that come from the plastic that end up in the water?
Additionally, when combined with fluoride, the corrosion level increases. It is also a fact that chloramine degenerates rubber and other parts in plumbing systems, ice makers, washers, dishwasher, toilets and sink faucets, to name but a few.
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Ok... so a ‘whole house solution of removal’ is required. If one was to move into a condo, a solution might be possible for drinking water... but what about all the other uses? That would seem to be quite difficult to do.
I’m also still stumbling over the statement that “The lung damage in those exposed to chloramine in indoor pool air is similar to that seen in regular smokers (see Health24 News article).” What a dilemma.... not get good exercise from using the pool or suffer long damage?
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It takes out everything including fluoride.
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How would you know? If you don’t test for the chemical, you won’t know if it is present....
Some of the ones we replaced were not done so.
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What did you find the biggest deficiencies to be?
They put a lot of chlorine in the water here. In the summer you can smell it when you run the faucet. It smells like bleach. We drink a lot of bottled water.
My granddaughter is very interested in water, and the cycle of water we use.
Could I get the name of the book, and where (if) it is still sold?
Any decent brands of water testers out there?
I tell my husband me that the water coming out of just one of our faucets smells off — a little skunky. He doesn’t believe me.
I want to have it tested, but wouldn’t take it to our water utility. They have a vested interest in not finding a problem.
That is a very good question.
One of the reasons that I know so much about water is due to making beer. Water quality is the greatest influence upon the taste of the finished product.
I use Beersmith, but there are many other excellent programs. If I am making an Irish Stout or a Scottish Ale, I must match the water from that area to arrive at the same beer. The software contains water quality and content reports for each brewing area in the world which I must adjust to by increasing or decreasing the various components of my own water. I have a chemistry set for adjusting my water to make beer.
What to Test For
When you contact a professional drinking water quality testing lab, you’ll want to know what things you should be testing for. One of the basic contaminants you should test for is bacteria, including total coliform bacteria and E. coli. Mineral tests can help determine what elements are affecting the taste, hardness, and smell of your water. It’s also a good idea to measure the acidity and pH of your water. There could also be dangerous elements like arsenic or radon in your water.
Go to a website like Environmental Testing and Research Laboratories, to learn what each type of water test includes.
I live in three different homes. One with chloramines in a municipal water supply, one with a chlorine treated municipal supply, and an artesian well on my farm.
Plus, the stream running through my farm is the water supply for the local municipality.
In farming areas you must check for nitrates. I’ve had friends have multiple miscarriages due to nitrates in the water.
The other thing with a well is that the water quality might be different based upon the strata in the soil the water comes from. That is why a good well casing and grouting are important for a well to keep out surface seepage.
Keep in mind, that is for chloramines. Most pools use chlorine and some use bromide.
I use bromide in my hot tubs as one is indoors and chlorine would stink up the house.
Please use the links to read more. Don’t get upset about something unless you know it applies to your situation. Even then, just gather facts and take action to correct the situation.
It’s not published (’yet,’ I hazard to state). Long story.
Do you know the basics? Most of the book is simply countering false public perceptions resulting from media & government propaganda on topics including lead, water ‘treatment’ and radiation.
Drinking water is a much easier topic than food (by an order of magnitude).
Short answer: No.
Know the brands, avoid anything which lists ‘purified’ and only buy mineral water if the choice is available.
Most of my away trips are either day (work) or 1-2 day (family) and I take water with me.
If you’re stuck with bottled water and cannot qualify the expense of the glass bottle brands (there are about 10 brands), I would suggest that the plastic bottles are the least of most people’s concerns, considering all the hazards in foods. “Minimal” is the word. I consume less than 128 fluid ounces of bottled water per year; that’s by design.
It takes effort & planning to manage the logistics of drinking water, particularly away from home or office; bottled water is a product of convenience and with all convenience comes the risk.
Anhydrous dihydrogen monoxide theoretically has no contaminants.
It removes everything. Chlorine, arsenic, flouride, heavy metals you name it. Our system has four filters.
Its URL approved. Its been tested. Ill bet you’re arguing with me while you drink a big glass of tap water. 😏
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